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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #260 on: September 05, 2022, 09:19:39 PM »
The statement from the OK is very weak sauce, while confirming there was treifos.
Heads should roll.

Speaking to many people today. You have no idea how much damage OK did to their hechsher brand today. Everything happens very quickly today.

I was discussing with a friend if we need to pressure Izzy's (our favorite place) to get a better hechsher, because I might not be touching any OK establishment going forward.

The allegations aren't that something was missed or something happened. It's that the system was rotten with flashing red lights.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #261 on: September 05, 2022, 09:22:43 PM »
Your sure?
based on yudel shain... say what you want about him but he's usually spot on in when it comes to research like this.... a lot of times he may come to a conclusion based off of his "evidence" which is according to his discretion, but he is very transparent on how he came to the conclusion, and you can disagree, but its very hard to disagree on his facts...

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #262 on: September 05, 2022, 09:23:57 PM »
everything is OK, nothing to see here... move on...

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #263 on: September 05, 2022, 09:24:45 PM »


They should STATE that in the STATEMENT.

Anything less than stating the following:

There was non-kosher meat served
or
We believe there was non-kosher meat served
or
We suspect that there was non-kosher meat served

is being intentionally vague.

1. For what purpose? Your curiosity?
2. I presume they are still investigating?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #264 on: September 05, 2022, 09:26:57 PM »
A mashgiach once told me that a hechsher of a retail food establishment boils down to trusting the owner,
if the owner is not trustworthy a hechsher doesn't do much
In that case you can never give to a non jew
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #265 on: September 05, 2022, 09:27:36 PM »
The יהי רצון at the end of the letter. Yikes.

שנשמע ונתבשר בשורות טובות.
Moving on. Nothing to see here....

They should be holding a press conference and falling on their knees. I don't know how they can sleep.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #266 on: September 05, 2022, 09:28:12 PM »
FTR Corelle dishes have the status of glass according to most and wouldn’t need kashering according to many. ALOR of course.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #267 on: September 05, 2022, 09:28:51 PM »

I was discussing with a friend if we need to pressure Izzy's (our favorite place) to get a better hechsher, because I might not be touching any OK establishment going forward.

I remember wondering as well why they don't have a CH local hecsher but only a national hecsher. Somehow it feels uncomfortable when a local establishment, especially when part of a kehilla is just having a big national hashgacha.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #268 on: September 05, 2022, 09:28:56 PM »
As long as no kitniyos on Pesach there's no reason.

Unfortunately reminded me of non-frum Ashkenazi relatives...they wouldn't eat kitniyos at our house on Pesach, but don't keep kosher year round...
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #269 on: September 05, 2022, 09:30:36 PM »
I remember wondering as well why they don't have a CH local hecsher but only a national hecsher. Somehow it feels uncomfortable when a local establishment, especially when part of a kehilla is just having a big national hashgacha.

Explained by being a few doors down from OK office.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #270 on: September 05, 2022, 09:30:46 PM »
Is there anything written from Reb Moshe on which Reb Reuven bases this idea upon?

On טמטום הלב I recall a contradicting opinion from the poskim and Ohr H'Chaim/Sifrei Chasidus. What comes to mind first is קטן אוכל נבילות which is totally permitted according to the Torah yet the poskim write to refrain because it causes טמטום הלב.
Rav Green Zatza"l (magid shiur in Staten Island under Rav Moshe) once asked Rav Moshe about the meshech chochmah who says there is timtum halev, and Rav Moshe said "we can disagree with the meshech chochmah". Rav Reuven says that everything he says still stands even if you go with the meshech chochmah, because there is a solution for timtum halev - learn torah (and IIRC do mitzvos, but I need to double check).

ETA: He says learn torah and work on yiras shamayim.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2022, 09:53:49 PM by avromie7 »
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #271 on: September 05, 2022, 09:31:38 PM »
FTR Corelle dishes have the status of glass according to most and wouldn’t need kashering according to many. ALOR of course.
Or need kashering and can't be kashered.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2022, 10:30:11 PM by avromie7 »
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #272 on: September 05, 2022, 09:31:51 PM »
based on yudel shain... say what you want about him but he's usually spot on in when it comes to research like this.... a lot of times he may come to a conclusion based off of his "evidence" which is according to his discretion, but he is very transparent on how he came to the conclusion, and you can disagree, but its very hard to disagree on his facts...
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #273 on: September 05, 2022, 09:34:27 PM »
Is there anything written from Reb Moshe on which Reb Reuven bases this idea upon?

On טמטום הלב I recall a contradicting opinion from the poskim and Ohr H'Chaim/Sifrei Chasidus. What comes to mind first is קטן אוכל נבילות which is totally permitted according to the Torah yet the poskim write to refrain because it causes טמטום הלב.
IIRC someone once showed me this from R’ Moshe in אגרות משה beshem his father.
Quote from: YitzyS
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #274 on: September 05, 2022, 09:34:59 PM »
Or need kashering and can't be koshered.
That is only for pesach according to many/most

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #275 on: September 05, 2022, 09:35:44 PM »
Re timtum there is a tshuvos Ben ish Chai that says there is none IIRC
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #276 on: September 05, 2022, 09:37:05 PM »
Where is @YitzyS? He's usually very busy in such threads

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #277 on: September 05, 2022, 09:37:26 PM »
A part of the problem as to why this keeps happening is because of the people that kasharus agencies hire.

Mashgchim may (or may not) know the ins and outs of kasharus but we would probably be better served if they had science, accounting, or investigative backgrounds.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #278 on: September 05, 2022, 09:37:47 PM »
based on yudel shain... say what you want about him but he's usually spot on in when it comes to research like this.... a lot of times he may come to a conclusion based off of his "evidence" which is according to his discretion, but he is very transparent on how he came to the conclusion, and you can disagree, but its very hard to disagree on his facts...
The same family owns other restaurants?

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #279 on: September 05, 2022, 09:38:56 PM »
A part of the problem as to why this keeps happening is because of the people that kasharus agencies hire.

Mashgchim may (or may not) know the ins and outs of kasharus but we would probably be better served if they had science, accounting, or investigative backgrounds.
how much do you want to pay for your sandwich?