Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken

[Euclid]

Which places? Do you have proof?

If you follow the conversation, I think he's referring to a (different) example of a Chinese restaurant that makes more than $70k profit, not Manalapan specifically; to refute @Lurker's assertion.

[Dan]

If you follow the conversation, I think he's referring to a (different) example of a Chinese restaurant that makes more than $70k profit, not Manalapan specifically; to refute @Lurker's assertion.

Can't really compare the margins of a place selling $20 Sesame chicken to a place selling $10 Sesame chicken.

[theyankel]

he said low margins and 70-80k  a year
i called it out bec ive seen tax returns bank statements etc
diff store but a chinese place
those non kosher establishments are high revenue

there is absolutely no way this guy was smuggling in small amounts and only since march. just look at the pic (and his prices)

OK looks horrific and their letter is lame but they had to say something

serious conflicts going on

[theyankel]

If you follow the conversation, I think he's referring to a (different) example of a Chinese restaurant that makes more than $70k profit, not Manalapan specifically; to refute @Lurker's assertion.

correct

[theyankel]

POIDH

you want me to post a pic of a guy's tax return and bank statement ? yeah... not happening 

[Lurker]

he said low margins and 70-80k  a year
i called it out bec ive seen tax returns bank statements etc
diff store but a chinese place
those non kosher establishments are high revenue

there is absolutely no way this guy was smuggling in small amounts and only since march. just look at the pic (and his prices)

OK looks horrific and their letter is lame but they had to say something

serious conflicts going on

You must be high. You're going to tell me that you've seen tax returns from non-kosher Chinese restaurants so you know what the numbers are in this specific business? Even if this was the same industry, which it's not even close, how are you going to compare one restaurant to another blindly? I could give you 5 Chinese restaurants in same zip code and you still wouldn't be able to guess what any of them were making based on the other's numbers.

[Lurker]

you want me to post a pic of a guy's tax return and bank statement ? yeah... not happening

I said you don't know what the backend looks like. You called that

#FAKENEWS
ive seen all tax returns and bank statements and have a very good idea of his cash payload

I guess I'm just bad at reading comprehension, but I thought your post implied that you had seen his financials. Obviously I was wrong, cuz

diff store but a chinese place

I just didn't think anyone would really claim #fakenews on an ambiguous statement like, "No one knows what the backend of a specific business looks like," based on a different business in the same industry's numbers, let alone

those non kosher establishments

[Dan]

just look at the pic (and his prices)

We're doing this again?
Has anyone investigated any of the other restaurants that have low prices?

[TheAsh]

https://www.jta.org/2022/09/09/ny/following-scandal-kosher-chinese-restaurants-in-brooklyn-move-to-distance-themselves-from-nj-establishment



Is this supposedly one of the 5?

[imayid2]

שלחן ערוך חושן משפט סימן רל״ד
One who buys and consumes meat which is later found to have been treif, he can demand his money back from the seller. This is by all indications talking about a case where there is a very valid עד אחד נאמן איסורין in place.
 
Notes the סמ״ע that one reason for this is because דאין אכילת האוכל מחשב לו הנאה ואדרבה מצער הוא לו שעבר על איסור דאורייתא באכילתן אף שהיה שוגג.

The application of this statement to our scenario needs to be worked out. Just (glatt kosher) food for thought.

[Dan]

שלחן ערוך חושן משפט סימן רל״ד
One who buys and consumes meat which is later found to have been treif, he can demand his money back from the seller. This is by all indications talking about a case where there is a very valid עד אחד נאמן איסורין in place.
 
Notes the סמ״ע that one reason for this is because דאין אכילת האוכל מחשב לו הנאה ואדרבה מצער הוא לו שעבר על איסור דאורייתא באכילתן אף שהיה שוגג.

The application of this statement to our scenario needs to be worked out. Just (glatt kosher) food for thought.

Run chargebacks for sure.

[Euclid]

Run chargebacks for sure.

Legit?

[WAM]

To be fair I didn't get past the second sentence of the DD post.

In that case, this wasn't fair:

WOW, just stereotyped ever non-Jew out there with the second sentence.

It applies just as equally to a otherwise religious Jew who only doesn’t keep kosher.

Ftfy

I am sure no one here will see a problem with that.
I disagreed with but understood the reasoning behind treating a Jew better.
As of now I see no reason to get a non-Jew to understand this for what it seems.

This is not about treating a Jew better.

[Dan]

Legit?

Why not?
You paid a premium for kosher food and didn't get it.

[avromie7]

Why not?
You paid a premium for kosher food and didn't get it.

FTFY

[Dan]

FTFY

I guess this ruins the joke of when you go up after 120 and are asked if you kept kosher, and you answer that you don't know but you definitely paid for kosher...

[WAM]

 

I asked you if you had a price and you weren't sure, on the other hand we are sure that we (most) frum jews, don't have a price. The cat is out of the hat, If you don't like it try changing yourself. If you can't or just not interested that's your problem not mine. I think we can both agree that theoretically if one has a price tag for his beliefs and the other has no price tag, then the person without the price tag is morally superior. Not sure what is condescending about that...

Saying that non Jews don't stick to their morals is extremely condescending. They may not have the same morals as us, and they might not stick to our morals, but your statement was not productive even if you feel it's true. If it's not productive, why say it? Unless you feel that you are better than the non Jews and therefore you don't need to care about how they perceive what you say. That certainly comes out sounding elitist, even if that's not your intention.

Besides, when you start making an argument that we are superior and CV can beat you with "Please list the cases of kashrus scandals with non Jews and I'll respond with the list of kashrus scandals with Jews" - better that you never made your point to begin with.

FTR, I'm surprised that this bothers CV, but he sees it how he sees it. I can't make him feel different and I certainly don't think I should tell him that he can't understand because I can bribe him.

[WAM]

Thinking you know 100% and knowing are not the same. I think and hope I would do the right thing.
If someone says they know for sure 100% then that is a problem.

@joe1234 I gotta say, I believe the "non Jew's" statement on this matter is truer than yours...

[Euclid]

Why not?
You paid a premium for kosher food and didn't get it.

Mine was more than 60 days ago

[WAM]

This is where I play the white card. The blacks blame us now for things that happened 200 years ago. The Jews are doing the same thing. Who is next the Catholics? 

Maybe you did understand and you're trolling (in which case, haha), but just to clarify, regardless of how halcha would rule today had there not be an existing ruling on milk, since halcha does already exist, we keep it as is, even if the original reason no longer applies.