NY Times vs. Chassidim

[sguitarist18]

That one side of the story is people who've left who are clearly antagonistic to orthodox judaism. And the other side is...people who have left who are not antagonistic. As opposed to the "other side" being people who have NOT left and love the life they're leading.

[shapsam]

Feel free to reach out to the journalist, and/or connect him with people in the community that will share the actual “other side of the story”. He doesn’t seem to have any particular agenda.

To me it sounds like he has an agenda, from the actual questions and the way he's almost arguing with her on some topics.

[Lurker]

That one side of the story is people who've left who are clearly antagonistic to orthodox judaism. And the other side is...people who have left who are not antagonistic. As opposed to the "other side" being people who have NOT left and love the life they're leading.

The first issue is, is that there aren't just two sides in a conversation on Orthodox Judaism. Its multifaceted.

Second, when trying to get a clear picture of what actually goes on inside a foreign ecosystem (which many think is a cult), the other side isn't people who are still a part of the community. If you were looking for info on Lev Tahor, would you care to hear from people who are still involved and loving it? You'd discount every word they say. For someone who doesn’t know what they can trust from people still living that life, they have to hear from people they think are "unbiased;" people outside the bubble with inside information on what happens inside the bubble.

(I didn't listen to the whole thing, just the first part, but she seemed to give a pretty fair description of our world, from what I heard.)

[Ver hut gazugt]

Did not watch it yet but looks interesting.

[Yehuda57]

https://twitter.com/DYShor/status/1651194441334415365

[aygart]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-major-address-adl-chief-focuses-on-anti-zionists-and-threats-to-orthodox-jews/

[Alexsei]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-major-address-adl-chief-focuses-on-anti-zionists-and-threats-to-orthodox-jews/

United we stand, divided we fall.
Thanks but no thanks.

[Yehuda57]

Huh?
The fact that OT hasn't come out denying it and asking for retraction, proves that the NYT is correct about the statement, for better or for worse.
Seems like a PGFHGS number to me, but what do I know?

Fourth, according to the Times, “nearly half” of the 1,500 students at the Chabad-affiliated Oholei Torah school are “are classified as children with disabilities, records show.” This was news to Oholei administrators, whose records, supplied to The Daily Signal, show that of their 1095 pre-K through eighth grade students, only 225 receive special education services. Twenty percent is approximately in line with the city average of 19%.

Their best guess as to how the Times got their “nearly half” figure was that it counted all students who had at some point been evaluated for special-needs services, including students who were no longer receiving services or who had never received them, rather than students currently receiving services. The Times did not inform readers that it was comparing the city’s apple to a yeshiva’s bag of oranges.

Didn't read the whole thing yet

[TimT]

So their “anonymous mother” is a director of YAFFED.
Shocked I tell you

[dovy2]

Are there ever class action suites against these types of things? Like, freedom of the press really a freedom to butcher us to millions of people and just get away with it?

[Yehuda57]

Didn't read the whole thing yet

Now I read it. That is a damning article.

[Euclid]

Now I read it. That is a damning article.

Link for those of us on Tapatalk
https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/05/03/dishonest-nyt-piece-doesnt-deserve-pulitzer/

[Dan]

Didn't read the whole thing yet

It took 4 months to figure this out? Why not put out a press release right away, which could have forced a retraction while the story was fresh.

[dovy2]

Now I read it. That is a damning article.

wow.
and if this is done for all the 10 articles.. can we then..

Are there ever class action suites against these types of things? Like, freedom of the press really a freedom to butcher us to millions of people and just get away with it?

[Yehuda57]

It took 4 months to figure this out? Why not put out a press release right away, which could have forced a retraction while the story was fresh.

The NYT have refused to even comment to multiple outlets who have have questioned many parts of their reporting, let alone issue any sort of correction. There is no way the NYT would have retracted their story based on a press release from OT.

They could have put out a statement regardless to make their case to readers even if the NYT wouldn't retract, but I don't fault them for keeping quiet. Usually, the prudent thing to do in the face of unwanted media attention is keep quiet. Making noise rarely helps change anyone's mind.

[Yehuda57]

wow.
and if this is done for all the 10 articles.. can we then..

The bar for a defamation lawsuit against a media outlet is extremely high. Putting aside being able to prove the Times was intentionally defamatory or negligent, what are the specific damages you are claiming?

[dovy2]

From Google about fox/smartmatic.. I'm sure I could've found the same from dominion, but this came up first


Smartmatic's lawusit alleges that Fox and its hosts didn't just report the statements being made by Trump and his allies at the time, but that the network, Dobbs, Pirro and Bartiromo "effectively endorsed and participated in the statements with reckless disregard for, or serious doubts about," whether the claims being made on air were true at all.
..
The lawsuit says the network and its hosts in the weeks following the election "purposely avoided publicly available knowledge" that would have disproved Smartmatic's software and Dominion's machines were used to switch votes.



That same piece with just changing the names:

Aguda's lawusit alleges that the NYT didn't just report the statements being made by Shapiro and Rosenthal, but that the newspaper "effectively endorsed and participated in the statements with reckless disregard for, or serious doubts about," whether the claims being made were true at all.
..

The lawsuit says the newspaper and reporters the weeks following the publication "purposely avoided publicly available knowledge" that would have disproved most of the reporters "findings".

[Yehuda57]

From Google about fox/smartmatic.. I'm sure I could've found the same from dominion, but this came up first

You didn't answer the question. What are the specific damages (read: $$) you are claiming the NYT caused?

[dovy2]

maybe yeshivas can show lost fundraising revenue.. anti semitic attacks

[Yehuda57]

maybe yeshivas can show lost fundraising revenue.. anti semitic attacks

You're reaching.

These companies, however, if they can show that the DOE decision was based on NYT reporting which was intentionally or negligently false, could have a case (in my layman's opinion):

https://twitter.com/brianmrosenthal/status/1621149328944562178