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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1800 on: June 29, 2023, 04:06:17 PM »
I don’t the know the legal term but what does loss of reputation have to do with money ?
A very negative article in one of the biggest news papers in the country should in of itself be considered damaging.

You have to prove *damage*. If not money, what damage are you going to prove? You have to show somehow that it lost something based on the reporting. Did the school lose students? Did it lose donors? What measurable loss did the yeshiva incur that it is suing for?

Intuitively, a series of stories in the paper of record is damaging to one's reputation, but you still need to be able to point to how you were harmed.

Again, IANAL, and my knowledge of defamation law comes from Johnny Depp memes, so take it with the same amount of salt you need to take NYT's reporting about yeshivas.

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1801 on: June 30, 2023, 12:15:49 AM »
I can't imagine it being that hard to find some damage, even if it's not millions of dollars. And the case doesn't have to be won, all you need is for a judge to allow it to move forward once filed and there can be a nice settlement (retraction and financial compensation). There is no way the NYT will let it go to discovery and their top people subject to depositions.

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1802 on: June 30, 2023, 12:17:36 AM »
Many yeshivos have donors from outside the community and this article may have affected these donations.

And if I remember correctly, in response to this article, the city announced they're stopping to do business with a whole list of therapy agencies. Clear cut example of damages.

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1803 on: June 30, 2023, 01:19:37 AM »
Many yeshivos have donors from outside the community and this article may have affected these donations.

And if I remember correctly, in response to this article, the city announced they're stopping to do business with a whole list of therapy agencies. Clear cut example of damages.

If anything that is a proof of the validity of the Times' claims, not the opposite. ETA: and this is the providors proving damages, not the schools or "the community".


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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1804 on: June 30, 2023, 03:21:15 AM »
I would assume that suing the for libel is a terrible idea. It means that the NY Times will have the opportunity to try to "prove" that what they wrote was truthful, so there will be so much more mudslinging, and with a lot more attention on it.

Simply from a practical standpoint, it's never going to happen IMO.

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1805 on: June 30, 2023, 03:47:18 PM »
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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1806 on: June 30, 2023, 03:47:37 PM »
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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
« Reply #1807 on: July 01, 2023, 10:27:10 PM »
Bypass:
https://archive.is/3cwZJ
Anyone know which are the 4 schools? I think I might be lucky to teach in one of those :)

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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
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Re: NY Times vs. Chassidim
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