NY Times vs. Chassidim

[zh cohen]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/02/opinion/yiddish-language-diaspora.html
blocked behind paywall

Huh?

the rabbinical elite deemed it unworthy of serious Talmudic discussion

While this is true that Yiddish was not used in "Talmudic" print/writing, it very much was the language of discussion.

[yelped]

Huh?
While this is true that Yiddish was not used in "Talmudic" print/writing, it very much was the language of discussion.

That's the only "Huh" moment you have there? The whole thing is ridiculous.

[mevinyavin]

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/nytimes-smears-hasidim-again-now-in-yiddish/

The comments are horrendous and clearly demonstrate how the world's readers swallow lies about us hook, line and sinker... Sigh... Moshiach isn't here yet.

[Definitions2]

Huh?
While this is true that Yiddish was not used in "Talmudic" print/writing, it very much was the language of discussion.

That was the line I have no idea what he was talking about
Maybe he meant seforim being written in Hebrew?

The whole article just seemed like filler piece to me. I didn't find it anti semitic just not very accurate

[yelped]

That was the line I have no idea what he was talking about
Maybe he meant seforim being written in Hebrew?

The whole article just seemed like filler piece to me. I didn't find it anti semitic just not very accurate

Hebrew is associated with right wind militancy? Ultra Orthodox are not bilingual? That does not sound anti-Semitic to you?

[EliJelly]

This article tackles all your issues best

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/nytimes-smears-hasidim-again-now-in-yiddish/

[yelped]

This article tackles all your issues best

You're right. Brought out very well.

[imayid2]

https://mishpacha.com/when-demonization-became-respectable/

5783, Klal Yisrael found itself under repeated assault by the New York Times. Whereas in the past, anti-Semitic tropes and bigotry were relegated to the darkest corners of society, this year saw demonization of Orthodox Jews unapologetically showcased on the front page of the world’s most prestigious newspaper.

When the Times attacked the yeshivah system, gone was any of the normal cultural sensitivity that it routinely extends to minority communities. But instead of apologizing for its egregious discrimination, the Times systematically weaponized its coverage to heap embarrassment on Orthodox institutions and individuals.

This incessant bullying by the 800-pound media gorilla was foisted upon our community in the form of 17 articles in the “paper of record.” In tandem, the reporters responsible embarked on an unprecedented speaking tour to promote their misleading and activist-driven hit pieces, with nary a word of protest even from our elected “friends.” As the saying goes, with friends like these....

Further demonstrating the lengths to which these journalists went, emails recently disclosed by the Breitbart news site point to apparent collusion between Times reporters and state education officials to produce these articles. This was apparently done with the intent to impinge on the independence of yeshivos while capturing a Pulitzer Prize for Team Sulzberger’s anti-Orthodox crusade. Thanks in great part to the herculean efforts of the Agudah’s groundbreaking “KnowUs” multi-media push-back campaign, their malpractice was exposed, and they were denied American journalism’s ultimate prize.

But severe damage to our reputation was done nonetheless, and the sound of crickets from the establishment, aside from a few heroic journalists, and even fewer elected officials, was nearly impossible to overcome. Significantly, this reign of editorial terror coincided with a historic rise in anti-Semitic incidents, according to the annual ADL Hate Crimes report. The correlation between the two — which, as they say, does not prove causation — is hard to miss.

So, on the cusp of a new year, we need a change in strategy from our previous reliance on fair-weather political connections. Along with faith in the Almighty, our community needs to make a serious, sustained commitment to fighting back against the new bigotry stemming from media conglomerates and well-funded adversaries.

The “KnowUs” initiative, dedicated solely to proactively setting the record straight about religious Jews, is one of the first of its kind from within the community’s organizational structure, but it cannot be the last. Leadership from every kehillah should prioritize robust investment, both in money and in manpower, and make a lasting commitment to support coordinated, professional shtadlanus to counter the full-scale attacks on our way of life.

This isn’t exclusive to chassidishe or yeshivishe communities. The shameful coverage by the media during Covid, as well as targeted government enforced “red zones,” taught us that an attack on one should be viewed as an attack on all. Our detractors seem particularly effective at dividing us, and unfortunately, oftentimes, we seem to let them, for short-term political expediency or a fleeting photo op.

Truth be told, the decline of traditional family values, alarming anti-Semitism, and the rise of the militant progressive agenda require unprecedented communal unity, as complicated as that vision might be. Because while the parochial needs of individual communities may be critically important, the very autonomy and survival of our collective chinuch system and the ability to live life as Torah Jews in a rapidly decaying moral environment should trump any individual self-interest.

If 5783 taught us anything, it is that we are alone and can only count on each other. Frankly speaking, the current atmosphere demands capable and committed klal askanim from every community to step forward and lead with clarity and conviction.

 

Chaskel Bennett is a member of the Agudath Israel of America Board of Trustees, and co-founder of the Flatbush Jewish Community Coalition.

[TimT]

The comments are horrendous and clearly demonstrate how the world's readers swallow lies about us hook, line and sinker...

Typical NYT subscribers. You surprised ?

[mevinyavin]

Typical NYT subscribers. You surprised ?

No. But you see those same posters just about everywhere. There is almost no one out there who does not believe the propaganda...
I'm not surprised. We're still in galus... 

[TimT]

No. But you see those same posters just about everywhere. There is almost no one out there who does not believe the propaganda...
I'm not surprised. We're still in galus... 

Many of the same heavy duty trolls. I stopped reading comments

[mevinyavin]

Many of the same heavy duty trolls. I stopped reading comments

I wouldn't, but I feel the need to know what is being said and held as standard among the hamon so that I know what needs answering. I encounter clueless but well-meaning Jews on a pretty constant basis. I won't bring it up but if they do, I need to know what they might ask in advance.

[Alexsei]

Welcome to גלות

[biobook]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/17/world/asia/ukraine-rosh-hashana-uman-hasidic-jews.html

[Dan]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/17/world/asia/ukraine-rosh-hashana-uman-hasidic-jews.html

Seems more even-handed than most of the articles in this thread.

[Alexsei]

Seems more even-handed than most of the articles in this thread.

How does it fit their agenda?

[biobook]

Seems more even-handed than most of the articles in this thread.

It's typical of the human-interest articles that the Times publishes, many of which have featured orthodox Jews.

How does it fit their agenda?

It doesn't fit the agenda of those who want us to believe that we are all victims of NYT antisemitism, rather than have us think critically about the issues of certain yeshivas that have engaged in substandard education and/or financial fraud as reported in the NYT.

[Yehuda57]

certain yeshivas that have engaged in substandard offering a different education than the NYT would like kids to experience.

FTFM

[Dan]

It's typical of the human-interest articles that the Times publishes, many of which have featured orthodox Jews.
It doesn't fit the agenda of those who want us to believe that we are all victims of NYT antisemitism, rather than have us think critically about the issues of certain yeshivas that have engaged in substandard education and/or financial fraud as reported in the NYT.

And had the NYT provided an even handed look, included interviews with the vast majority of yeshiva graduates, not had made up facts about the percentage of special ed students, etc, rather than a direct attack, perhaps it would have accomplished more.

[Yehuda57]

And had the NYT provided an even handed look, included interviews with the vast majority of yeshiva graduates, not had made up facts about the percentage of special ed students, etc, rather than a direct attack, perhaps it would have accomplished more.

Why is the yeshiva education system a story? As a part of a story about school choice, maybe - how parents choose how to educate their kids can sometimes be at odds with how the government would prefer to educate, and should the government have the right to decide how parents have to educate their kids?