NY Times vs. Chassidim

[Dan]

Why is the yeshiva education system a story? As a part of a story about school choice, maybe - how parents choose how to educate their kids can sometimes be at odds with how the government would prefer to educate, and should the government have the right to decide how parents have to educate their kids?

Because of state money and statistics, whether correct or not, like this:

[Yehuda57]

Because of state money and statistics, whether correct or not, like this:

IOW, the NYT invented a smear against the yeshiva system. They then fudged, misrepresented, and misframed stats and info to support that narrative, so now it's a story?

[Dan]

IOW, the NYT invented a smear against the yeshiva system. They then fudged, misrepresented, and misframed stats and info to support that narrative, so now it's a story?

No, but it could have been a story if they didn't stoop that low.

[Yehuda57]

No, but it could have been a story if they didn't stoop that low.

Told honestly, the story could have been, "Why are Chassidim doing so much better than other communities in organizing and availing themselves of services and grants for their children, and how can other communities learn from them?"

[EliJelly]

..rather than have us think critically about the issues of certain yeshivas that have engaged in substandard education and/or financial fraud as reported in the NYT.

Always refreshing to see sincere introspection conducted in aseres yemei tshuva, especially on matters one has a year-round beef with.

[AsherO]

It doesn't fit the agenda of those who want us to believe that we are all victims of NYT antisemitism, rather than have us think critically about the issues of certain yeshivas that have engaged in substandard education and/or financial fraud as reported in the NYT.

Can’t the NYT be antisemitic and agenda driven while we think critically about the issues you listed?

[TimT]

It’s all to distract from the fiery train wreck the whole DOE & public school system has become. The worse it gets there the more the NYT needs to focus on yeshivas & chassidim. They can’t stand seeing the mentchen the yeshivas are producing vs the garbage coming out of public schools, with all their licensed teachers & spending $35K annually per kid.

[biobook]

They can’t stand seeing the mentchen the yeshivas are producing

It was yeshiva-produced mentchen who defrauded the government of millions of dollars, in apparent collusion among yeshiva administrators, teachers, and local merchants.  If this had happened in Georgia, there'd be a RICO investigation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/nyregion/hasidic-yeshiva-fraud-central-united-talmudical-academy.html

Always refreshing to see sincere introspection conducted in aseres yemei tshuva, especially on matters one has a year-round beef with.

You're right, it's been almost a year since I asked the questions:

My question is where is the outrage at this report?  Where are the op-eds from Pearls, Agudah, Torah Umesorah, the roshei yeshivas explaining why this happened then and explaining that this is not standard operating procedure at yeshivas.  Or is it standard at some yeshivas?  I'm just asking.

And we finally got their tshuva: Yeshivas are perfect. The only problem is that the New York Times is antisemitic.

[biobook]

FTFM

In one of their documents to NYSED, the Agudah admitted that a small number of yeshivas were substandard. (Don't remember the exact term they used, but something like that.)

[biobook]

Why is the yeshiva education system a story? As a part of a story about school choice, maybe -...

Told honestly, the story could have been, "Why are Chassidim doing so much better than other ...

These reporters set out to investigate whether there was any basis for the rumors that yeshivas were not providing an education that met DOE standards.  It's unfair to criticize them for not having written the story you would have wanted to read. 

And had the NYT ... not had made up facts about the percentage of special ed students, etc, ...

They then fudged, misrepresented, and misframed stats and info ...

If all that's true then they did a lousy job, but incompetence isn't a synonym for antisemitism.

[biobook]

Can’t the NYT be antisemitic and agenda driven while we think critically about the issues you listed?

Sure, it's possible, but the above-referenced Agudah "year in review" focuses on antisemitism in the NYT, with little obvious concern for the other issues.
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=130619.msg2746907#msg2746907
They decry "a rapidly decaying moral environment" in America, while failing to denounce the moral environment that allowed a millions dollar fraud.

[Yehuda57]

These reporters set out to investigate whether there was any basis for the rumors that yeshivas were not providing an education that met DOE standards. 

This is what actually happened:

These reporters set out to investigate claims made by Yaffed and then used those very same Yaffed leaders and supporters' anecdotes to prove the point while granting anonymity so the reader wouldn't see the scam

[Alexsei]

Did I miss something??? Who pocketed millions in gouvernement education funding and why aren't they under bars ?

[biobook]

Did I miss something??? Who pocketed millions in gouvernement education funding and why aren't they under bars ?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/nyregion/hasidic-yeshiva-fraud-central-united-talmudical-academy.html
https://archive.ph/6UJ41

[Alexsei]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/nyregion/hasidic-yeshiva-fraud-central-united-talmudical-academy.html
https://archive.ph/6UJ41

Where did the money go ?

[EliJelly]

Did I miss something??? Who pocketed millions in gouvernement education funding and why aren't they under bars ?

Where did the money go ?

Look upthread, been discussed on pages. Only being rehashed again because it's the time of the year we clap Al Cheit.

[Alexsei]

Refreshers are treif!!!!
Did the money go to individuals? Or was it redirected to other budgets of the educational institutions?

[Yehuda57]

If all that's true then they did a lousy job, but incompetence isn't a synonym for antisemitism.

There have been numerous articles and letters that have pointed to egregious errors, the Times going against its own policy of when sources are granted anonymity, and a slew of examples of biased and dishonest framing. Yet not a single correction has been issued on a single one of their many stories in the series. They haven't even responded to any critiques to defend or explain their reporting. At what point does it move from lousy incompetence to a bigoted underpinning driving the story?

Note, I didn't use the word antisemitism, but I'll ask the same question here as I asked in a different story:

[Alexsei]

I don't "know" if the staff at NYT are antisemites, or If they have an antisemitic agenda, what I do know is that articles like these fuel antisemitism, and that it's by design.

[CountValentine]