Yeshiva Magen David Accidentally Hires Trans Teacher

[WAM]

What does SCOTUS say about a transgender?

Mr. GP himself bringing SCOTUS into a Torah conversation? This surprised me.

[WAM]

She's no longer an elephant, she now identifies as an Hippopotamus

she?
Some nerve you have!

[Alexsei]

she?
Some nerve you have!

A male elephant is called a bull. A female elephant is called a cow. A baby elephant is called a calf

[WAM]

A male elephant is called a bull. A female elephant is called a cow. A baby elephant is called a calf

what's a room elephant called?

[Alexsei]

what's a room elephant called?

mare? ogre?

[WAM]

mare? ogre?

But what are its pronouns?

[Alexsei]

But what are its pronouns?

its

[imayid2]

Is there any responsa on whether there is an issue calling someone with pronouns they weren't born with?

https://anash.org/how-should-i-deal-with-preferred-pronouns/

[Alexsei]

https://anash.org/how-should-i-deal-with-preferred-pronouns/

Summary?

[imayid2]

Summary?

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/104941/is-there-anything-wrong-with-using-someones-preferred-pronouns

While this seems to be a highly sensitive topic, and the opinion of one Rav is not universally binding to say the least, the answer to the question is yes, there is a halachic issue. Here is a Rav, Dayan Levi Yitzchok Raskin, Rov of Anash in London, who deals with this exact question. He concludes that it is an issue of lo silbash based on the fact that Rashi explains the prohibition to mean dressing like a woman in order to mingle with women. He concludes that this is the epitome of doing something like a woman to be able to mingle with women and is a direct violation of this biblical commandments. Once that’s established, calling them by their preferred pronouns would indicate your agreement and approval of their violation and would be prohibited as a machzik yedei ovrei aveira.

[ckmk47]

Is there a difference if the person over on this 'lo silbash' issue is a non-Jew vs Jewish?

[imayid2]

Is there a difference if the person over on this 'lo silbash' issue is a non-Jew vs Jewish?

I would assume it wouldn’t be applicable to a non Jew as they aren’t bound to לא תלבש

[Alexsei]

Is there a difference if the person over on this 'lo silbash' issue is a non-Jew vs Jewish?

https://dinonline.org/2018/07/12/does-lo-yilbash-apply-to-gentiles/

[ckmk47]

So can you use the preferred pronouns of a non-Jew when the pronouns don't conform to his birth gender?

[Ver hut gazugt]

https://dinonline.org/2018/07/12/does-lo-yilbash-apply-to-gentiles/

Maybe a follow up question. Since they have the mitzva of gilu aroyos, is distancing from that aviera part of that mitzva?

[imayid2]

So can you use the preferred pronouns of a non-Jew when the pronouns don't conform to his birth gender?

From a purely Halachik perspective there doesn’t seem to be a problem

[S209]

I would assume it wouldn’t be applicable to a non Jew as they aren’t bound to לא תלבש

https://dinonline.org/2018/07/12/does-lo-yilbash-apply-to-gentiles/

Maybe a follow up question. Since they have the mitzva of gilu aroyos, is distancing from that aviera part of that mitzva?

Is it possible it’s counted as a subcategory of gilui arayos? IIRC the Gemara considers a Ben Noach to be metzuveh on not being mesares themselves or even animals because of gilui arayos. The Rambam lists it in Issurei Biah as well.

[imayid2]

Is it possible it’s counted as a subcategory of gilui arayos? IIRC the Gemara considers a Ben Noach to be metzuveh on not being mesares themselves or even animals because of gilui arayos. The Rambam lists it in Issurei Biah as well.

Seems to be a מחלוקת ראשונים how to pasken in regards to סירוס for בני נח see בית שמואל סימן ה ס״ק ט”ז.

Also, I think a distinction can be drawn between סירוס, which is a one time action that is over and done with, and לא תלבש, which is an ongoing issur and you’re sort of approving of their active violation as Rabbi Raskin sees it by using their preferred pronoun.

[Alexsei]

I'm not using their preferred pronouns even if they aren't Jewish but I think that is more than Halacha... I'm officially transphobic

[S209]

I'm not using their preferred pronouns even if they aren't Jewish but I think that is more than Halacha... I'm officially transphobic

If it’s more than Halacha, it might be less than Halacha as well.