"Makpid During Aseres Yimei Teshuva"

[imayid2]

Rabbi Yosef תאומים in S”D 97:1

I didn’t have a chance to check it up but he says otherwise regarding חלת חוץ לארץ in 92.

[aygart]

In Emes LeYaakov R’ Yaakov Kaminetzky brings a raya from the Rama that you can use the kelim of one who relies on R’ Moshe even if you disagree.

It isn’t a perfect raya and he himself is using it because he holds מעיקר הדין like RMF IIRC. Have to check.

I can't believe that was ever meant as a raya since if it was it would be a pliya atzuma since the case he is coming from is because you can rely that  they won't give you from those keilim.

Note that Rav Moshe says that the machmirim should be machmir on keilim. (ETA I see others mentioned this)

[imayid2]

I can't believe that was ever meant as a raya since if it was it would be a pliya atzuma since the case he is coming from is because you can rely that  they won't give you from those keilim.

Are you sure? By חלב בני מריינוס because they have the right to be maykil we can eat from their keilim from what I remember…

[jye]

I didn’t have a chance to check it up but he says otherwise regarding חלת חוץ לארץ in 92.

By chalav akum in צ״ז he is metzaref those who say that chalav akum is batel berov as well as אין דבר טמא מצוי. That is why he is more machmir in צ״ב.

[imayid2]

Your first highlight references a conclusion, but that one is even less relevant IMHO.

I see. My intention with that one was to highlight the נודע ביהודהs involvement. Not the conclusion specifically.

[AsherO]

I think it’s very relevant at least for keilim which they seem completely fine with.

You’re pretzeling. Even the keilim have lots of mitigating factors in that case that are different than לכתחילה using a milchig pot you borrowed from a neighbor that uses CS.

[imayid2]

By chalav akum in צ״ז he is metzaref those who say that chalav akum is batel berov as well as אין דבר טמא מצוי. That is why he is more machmir in צ״ב.

Ok I don’t know if the achronim I referred to wouldn’t hold like that either being that they perhaps would agree to those צירופים.

[aygart]

Are you sure? By חלב בני מריינוס because they have the right to be maykil we can eat from their keilim from what I remember…

You are right I was getting confused with the other cases in Shach 119:20 but by chelev reinus it is because the whole minhag lihachmir was set up that way.

[imayid2]

You’re pretzeling. Even the keilim have lots of mitigating factors in that case that are different than לכתחילה using a milchig pot you borrowed from a neighbor that uses CS.

I have to disagree. It sounds like they viewed that as a very solid standalone reason to be matir the keilim.

[imayid2]

You are right I was getting confused with the other cases in Shach 119:20 but by chelev reinus it is because the whole minhag lihachmir was set up that way.

In אמת ליעקב where he refers to that Halacha he says it’s a כל שכן from there. I assume he means because the reasons to be maykil are so compelling by CS.

[aygart]

Perhaps I would have to look it up.
Either way, that RMF is the mechudash one! Though his logic isn’t necessarily a chiddush, many achronim say otherwise.

Who?

[aygart]

I have to disagree. It sounds like they viewed that as a very solid standalone reason to be matir the keilim.

A pasteurizer where they didn't drop the water can be worse.

[aygart]

In אמת ליעקב where he refers to that Halacha he says it’s a כל שכן from there. I assume he means because the reasons to be maykil are so compelling by CS.

Yes it is because he holds the whole thing is really mutar.

[AsherO]

I have to disagree. It sounds like they viewed that as a very solid standalone reason to be matir the keilim.

They cite many other reasons, I’m not sure why you’re honing in on that one and saying it’s very standalone. I’m not seeing it anywhere in the words.

[imayid2]

Who?

I was referring to the pri magadim in 92 and חכמת אדם נא כד. However I accept @jye clarification that חלב עכו״ם is easier to be מיקל.

[aygart]

I was referring to the pri magadim in 92 and חכמת אדם נא כד. However I accept @jye clarification that חלב עכו״ם is easier to be מיקל.

IINM the source RMF brings for not saying chanan by chalav akum is literally a PMG.

[imayid2]

IINM the source RMF brings for not saying chanan by chalav akum סתם יינם is literally a PMG.

FTFY (I think so) and I don’t see him bringing a pri mgadim to be maykil.
Either way we went through this above.

[imayid2]

They cite many other reasons, I’m not sure why you’re honing in on that one and saying it’s very standalone. I’m not seeing it anywhere in the words.

Many?
Regardless, the other reason could just as well apply to many/most cases of DE.

[imayid2]

It is interesting to read in מסורת משה the astonishment and disbelief that RMF allegedly displayed when he was told the “story” of how he vomited up CS he had mistakenly consumed.

[jye]

It is interesting to read in מסורת משה the astonishment and disbelief that RMF allegedly displayed when he was told the “story” of how he vomited up CS he had mistakenly consumed.

As the chazon ish was reported to have said when told they were saying in his name that there was a heter for cholov stam “next they will say I was matir an eishes ish”