"Makpid During Aseres Yimei Teshuva"

[imayid2]

As the chazon ish was reported to have said when told they were saying in his name that there was a heter for cholov stam “next they will say I was matir an eishes ish”

Listen, one version fits perfectly with what he wrote, and is widely quoted (Rav yaakov, Rav henkin, and the steipler quoted it) and one is completely at odds with what he writes. That’s why the former is more accepted.

[jye]

A fairly comprehensive (YU) write up for those that want an English synopsis:
https://www.koltorah.org/halachah/chalav-yisrael-part-i-rav-soloveitchiks-view-by-rabbi-chaim-jachter?format=amp

https://www.koltorah.org/halachah/chalav-yisrael-part-ll-the-strict-view-by-rabbi-chaim-jachter

https://www.koltorah.org/halachah/chalav-yisrael-part-iii-by-rabbi-chaim-jachter?format=amp

[EliJelly]

Also a very nice comprehensive chapter in this book.

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=125329.msg2462007#msg2462007

Eta, after reading more it's actually a fantastic compilation on CY. Thanks @YitzyS for recommending it.

[yungermanchik]

Back to the original topic:

For example, Rav Moshe Tendler once stated (in a Shiur at Yeshiva University in 1986) that even one who practices the lenient approach to the Chalav Yisrael issue should drink only Chalav Yisrael during the Aseret Yemei Teshuva.

I asked מו"ר הרב ראובן שליט"א today "Is there any inyan to be makpid on C"Y during Aseres Yimei Teshuva?" and He responded with an unequivocal "No"

[JMHO]

Also a very nice comprehensive chapter in this book.

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=125329.msg2462007#msg2462007

Eta, after reading more it's actually a fantastic compilation on CY. Thanks @YitzyS for recommending it.

Ordered. Thanks

[imayid2]

Also a very nice comprehensive chapter in this book.

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=125329.msg2462007#msg2462007

Eta, after reading more it's actually a fantastic compilation on CY. Thanks @YitzyS for recommending it.

I do not have it, perhaps I’ll purchase it. Meanwhile, are any big names among litvesha Gedolim recorded there as having objected to Rav Moshes reasoning? I’m not asking לקנטר, I’m truly curious.

[imayid2]

I do not have it, perhaps I’ll purchase it.

done

[zh cohen]

There was a sefer just published which absolutely proved that it’s a ספק דרבנן לקולא

I don't know the sugya well, but when the OU came out with their psak being matir the chashash of חלב טריפה it was not universally accepted.

Is the author a posek on the level of R' Moshe? I think people should know if they are relying on R' Moshe's psak, or on an application of it to new circumstances by someone of lesser stature.

[imayid2]

I don't know the sugya well, but when the OU came out with their psak being matir the chashash of חלב טריפה it was not universally accepted.

That’s a separate discussion. We’ve been talking under the assumption that the cows are triefas.

Is the author a posek on the level of R' Moshe? I think people should know if they are relying on R' Moshe's psak, or on an application of it to new circumstances by someone of lesser stature.

Facts don’t care about how great you are. That’s what he did, established much needed facts.

[aygart]

I don't know the sugya well, but when the OU came out with their psak being matir the chashash of חלב טריפה it was not universally accepted.

Is the author a posek on the level of R' Moshe? I think people should know if they are relying on R' Moshe's psak, or on an application of it to new circumstances by someone of lesser stature.

Who disagreed with the matirim? When was the last time anyone being lenient regarding a tumult was universally accepted?

[imayid2]

Who disagreed with the matirim?

The matirims heterim for the treifos issue are weak. This is the subject of the first half of the sefer.

[EliJelly]

I do not have it, perhaps I’ll purchase it. Meanwhile, are any big names among litvesha Gedolim recorded there as having objected to Rav Moshes reasoning? I’m not asking לקנטר, I’m truly curious.

Reb Eliezer Silver and Reb Moshe Sternbuch as well as the famous cholkim who weren't chassidish either, like Reb Yonoson Shteif, the Chelkas Yaakov among others. Reb Moshe was unquestionably the Posek hador for the American Litvisha world, but how wonder how his heter was perceived by the Israeli Litvisha Gedolim and poskim, like Reb Shlomo Zalmen, Rav Elyashiv etc.

[AsherO]

Many?
Regardless, the other reason could just as well apply to many/most cases of DE.

So now we’re talking about DE? You keep moving the goalposts.

[imayid2]

So now we’re talking about DE? You keep moving the goalposts.

We were talking about it since I said this:

I think it’s very relevant at least for keilim which they seem completely fine with.

And we had a conversation about that. So I’m not sure why I’m being accused of suddenly moving goal posts.

[AsherO]

We were talking about it since I said this:And we had a conversation about that. So I’m not sure why I’m being accused of suddenly moving goal posts.

That was precisely when the goalposts started slipping. I’m still talking about CY/CS and still don’t see how that other piece from Prague is relevant when it’s answering a completely different discussion.

[imayid2]

That was precisely when the goalposts started slipping. I’m still talking about CY/CS and still don’t see how that other piece from Prague is relevant when it’s answering a completely different discussion.

It’s not a completely different discussion. I don’t even understand how you can think that. If CS milk isn’t kosher at all, it treifs the keilim. There are many poskim that will say Rav Moshe’s heter is not even good enough for keilim. So I’m pointing out that IMO it seems that they considered it back then a very solid standalone reason to be matir at least keilim.

[AsherO]

It’s not a completely different discussion. There are many poskim that will say Rav Moshe’s heter is not even good enough for keilim. So I’m pointing out that IMO it seems that they considered it back then a very solid standalone reason to be matir at least keilim.

It’s not standalone when there are multiple other reasons there, not all of which are applicable (such as that נילוש might be considered בלוע).

[imayid2]

It’s not standalone when there are multiple other reasons there, not all of which are applicable (such as that נילוש might not be considered לח).

I’m only seeing one other reason there, which is that חלב isn’t שמן so it wouldn’t effect the keilim. This  also needs the prerequisite of being בלוע as you mentioned.

[imayid2]

I’m only seeing one other reason there, which is that חלב isn’t שמן so it wouldn’t effect the keilim. This  also needs the prerequisite of being בלוע as you mentioned.

And I do not understand why you say it wouldn’t be applicable. In factories where the DE designation is due to previous runs containing חלב בלוע in another product, it is just as applicable as it was in 1758.

[AsherO]

And I do not understand why you say it wouldn’t be applicable. In factories where the DE designation is due to previous runs containing חלב בלוע in another product, it is just as applicable as it was in 1758.

So now you’re saying it’s only relevant to discussion about some DE products? Or again you want to extrapolate from a very distinct case with multiple mitigating factors into a general rule?