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Who did you vote for?

Hochul
3 (7.9%)
Zeldin
35 (92.1%)

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Author Topic: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?  (Read 33048 times)

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #140 on: October 31, 2022, 03:53:27 PM »
He says he's "opposed to the substantial equivalency push", but substantial equivalency is in the NYS constitution, which he'll be required to swear to uphold if he's elected governor. 
The bill of rights supersedes that, so no problem there.

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #141 on: October 31, 2022, 03:57:29 PM »
He says he'll
1. Tell the rest of the story
2. Fight alongside you
3. Do everything in my power to earn the title of being the greatest .... (can't make out what he says) of yeshiva education

IOW, he'll talk the talk, but not necessarily have it in his power to do anything practical about the matter. 

He says he's "opposed to the substantial equivalency push", but substantial equivalency is in the NYS constitution, which he'll be required to swear to uphold if he's elected governor. 

Someone should just ask him what he envisions he'll be able to accomplish and how.  Simple question.
good points, it more a soft power type of game.
AFAIK Deblasio did something similar with Bris mila. I think the best time would have been when the court struck it down as they did by bris mila.

In many respects it’s also a vote against hochul who chose not to use her soft power to help with yeshivos.

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #142 on: October 31, 2022, 04:07:07 PM »
I think this may be a unique time that it's worth it to publicly back the opponent even if there is zero chance of a victory.

This is not a small matter that we don't want to pick a fight over. This is something which we are proud to say is so important that WE CANNOT stand behind you if you impede this, even if you will win. We don't have to apologize or be awkward if you win. We will have no regrets. Because this is an issue that is too important to play politics over.

It may even do more good in the long run. Hochul will see that we are willing to burn our bridges over this, and there is more than political clout on the line for us over here.

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #143 on: October 31, 2022, 04:32:41 PM »
It may even do more good in the long run. Hochul will see that we are willing to burn our bridges over this, and there is more than political clout on the line for us over here.
Just hope her mentality is not the same as Trump or you will be in for a world of hurt.  ;)
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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #144 on: October 31, 2022, 05:41:43 PM »
I think this may be a unique time that it's worth it to publicly back the opponent even if there is zero chance of a victory.

This is not a small matter that we don't want to pick a fight over. This is something which we are proud to say is so important that WE CANNOT stand behind you if you impede this, even if you will win. We don't have to apologize or be awkward if you win. We will have no regrets. Because this is an issue that is too important to play politics over.

It may even do more good in the long run. Hochul will see that we are willing to burn our bridges over this, and there is more than political clout on the line for us over here.

Great point

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #145 on: October 31, 2022, 05:45:47 PM »
He says he'll
1. Tell the rest of the story
2. Fight alongside you
3. Do everything in my power to earn the title of being the greatest .... (can't make out what he says) of yeshiva education

IOW, he'll talk the talk, but not necessarily have it in his power to do anything practical about the matter. 

He says he's "opposed to the substantial equivalency push", but substantial equivalency is in the NYS constitution, which he'll be required to swear to uphold if he's elected governor. 

Someone should just ask him what he envisions he'll be able to accomplish and how.  Simple question.

One candidate is at least saying the right things while one isn’t. She also has a terrible record (crime, covid closures, not supporting the yeshivos). Why is this even a question??

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #146 on: October 31, 2022, 05:56:27 PM »
Why is this even a question??
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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #147 on: October 31, 2022, 06:24:54 PM »
There us no way a jewish republican governor of NY, will be worse for religious jews, than Hochul. The devil you know, vs someone who aligns with a lot of our values? Not a difficult decision at all.

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #148 on: October 31, 2022, 06:25:07 PM »
Better the devil you know than the devil you don't?
Did you vote for Trump in 2020 based on this logic ? :)

One is a known devil, the other is actually showing he cares about our concerns.


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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #149 on: October 31, 2022, 06:26:09 PM »
You can say “how’s s/he going to pull it off” on every politician out there ever.

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #150 on: October 31, 2022, 06:33:44 PM »
FWIU tons of frum yidden never vote in NY because they feel it doesn't count there.

Are there people that never vote, that are voting this election?
Personally I think with early voting/mail in more people vote

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #151 on: October 31, 2022, 06:36:59 PM »
what effort did huchol put in? A visit to 1 rebbe? I'm pretty sure the call from Biden was more about congress (or just to keep the old man busy). That's not much compared to Zeldin. Another reason to vote for him.
Hochul visited leaders many times before it got heated

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #152 on: October 31, 2022, 06:37:24 PM »
There is no way a jewish
Gotta stop you right there, couldn't disagree more.
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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #153 on: October 31, 2022, 06:38:16 PM »
Hochul visited leaders many times before it got heated
She just didn't visit the streets like Zeldin

Could be this is because she is a lady, or the incumbent

But the same was in Lakewood, where Murphy made one visit to the BMG leaders, and his opponent worked the Nine multiple times

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #154 on: October 31, 2022, 06:44:22 PM »
Gotta stop you right there, couldn't disagree more.

Funny how the Jewish arguments is never made for someone like Schumer

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #155 on: October 31, 2022, 07:10:14 PM »
someone who aligns with a lot of our values? Not a difficult decision at all.
In what way do you see him alligned with your values? A reform jew r"l married to a shiktza shares your values?
I'm not going one way or the other. I just fail to understand why people are so excited he's jewish

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #156 on: October 31, 2022, 07:34:31 PM »
In what way do you see him alligned with your values? A reform jew r"l married to a shiktza shares your values?
I'm not going one way or the other. I just fail to understand why people are so excited he's jewish
I haven’t seen the excitement over his Jewishness, but because he takes crime seriously & his stance on yeshivas.

Our chinuch & yiddishkeit is under constant attack. One just wants to leave it as status quo, the other shows interest & concern. Those values

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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #157 on: October 31, 2022, 08:34:13 PM »
Did you vote for Trump in 2020 based on this logic ? :)
I knew both of them.
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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
« Reply #158 on: October 31, 2022, 08:35:39 PM »
Personally I think with early voting/mail in more people vote
So the election will be stolen?
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Re: Do the chasidim plan to vote for Hochul or Zeldin?
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