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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2022, 05:51:44 PM »
Some of you are acting like I never heard of or seen race riots in the US. This country has a long history of race riots.  ::)
ETA: Google Watts

The two are not even remotely analogous. Watts was civilians rioting and fighting with law enforcement, it was not targeted rioting against a specific race by other civilians of another race.

Try again

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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2022, 05:55:28 PM »
The two are not even remotely analogous.
You are correct. 34 deaths and 40 million in damage.
How many more you want?  ::)
ETA: I have a good 20+ of them.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Tulsa-race-massacre-of-1921
Over the next two days, mobs of white people looted and set fire to African American businesses and homes throughout the city. Many of the mob members were recently returned World War I veterans trained in the use of firearms and are said to have shot African Americans on sight. Some survivors even claimed that people in airplanes dropped incendiary bombs.
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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2022, 06:02:32 PM »
You are correct. 34 deaths and 40 million in damage.
How many more you want?  ::)
ETA: I have a good 20+ of them.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Tulsa-race-massacre-of-1921
Over the next two days, mobs of white people looted and set fire to African American businesses and homes throughout the city. Many of the mob members were recently returned World War I veterans trained in the use of firearms and are said to have shot African Americans on sight. Some survivors even claimed that people in airplanes dropped incendiary bombs.

I already said upthread that this hasn't happened in the last 50-60 years, likely not since the KKK.

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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2022, 06:08:04 PM »
I already said upthread that this hasn't happened in the last 50-60 years, likely not since the KKK.
I am bound by your limits?
I just want to make sure everyone understands the race riots this country has experienced.
MLK assassination caused nationwide race riots including Chicago.
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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #84 on: November 02, 2022, 06:43:51 PM »
I am bound by your limits?
I just want to make sure everyone understands the race riots this country has experienced.
MLK assassination caused nationwide race riots including Chicago.

No, but if you're comparing it to something, it has to be analogous, and it's not comparable to other race riots in the modem era. I'm not saying it's worse or better, these things don't deserve scorecards. But you have to look at things in the context of the time and society they occurred in.

Before the civil rights movement, lynchings and such were relatively common. Even as a white boy in South Africa I read books in school like "Roll of thunder hear my cry". I'm not ignorant of what this country's white citizens did to its black citizens.

But after that movement there are things that aren't tolerated anymore in the modern world. A racial group rioting against another for three days while police look on is one of those things. It hasn't happened to any other race in the modern era in the US, and it was allowed to happen in NYC.

The fact that you compare it to race riots like Watts shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what the CH riots were. It's common for people to try fit things into narratives they already know about. You hear "race riots in Crown Heights" , you think Rodney King and Watts - riots based on years of mistreatment by police and the government. But it was actually more like a pogrom of old Europe than a riot of modern America.

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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #85 on: November 02, 2022, 07:04:59 PM »
No, but if you're comparing it to something, it has to be analogous, and it's not comparable to other race riots in the modem era. I'm not saying it's worse or better, these things don't deserve scorecards. But you have to look at things in the context of the time and society they occurred in.

Before the civil rights movement, lynchings and such were relatively common. Even as a white boy in South Africa I read books in school like "Roll of thunder hear my cry". I'm not ignorant of what this country's white citizens did to its black citizens.

But after that movement there are things that aren't tolerated anymore in the modern world. A racial group rioting against another for three days while police look on is one of those things. It hasn't happened to any other race in the modern era in the US, and it was allowed to happen in NYC.

The fact that you compare it to race riots like Watts shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what the CH riots were. It's common for people to try fit things into narratives they already know about. You hear "race riots in Crown Heights" , you think Rodney King and Watts - riots based on years of mistreatment by police and the government. But it was actually more like a pogrom of old Europe than a riot of modern America.
You are confusing me comparing to with me showing I understand and have seen in my lifetime all types of race riots.

CH riots were 30 years ago? Has anything happened like that since?
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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #86 on: November 02, 2022, 07:15:33 PM »
You are confusing me comparing to with me showing I understand and have seen in my lifetime all types of race riots.

CH riots were 30 years ago? Has anything happened like that since?

I don't understand the first line. As for the second line, no. Thank G-d.

 I think you're misunderstanding the crux of my point, which is that the CH riots are incomparable to race riots in modern America. They were a very different beast. It's not a matter of semantics, or arbitrarily drawing lines before 1990. It's about understanding the nature of the event in the context of the times. They were an antisemitic attack, not a violent "airing of grievances". 

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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #87 on: November 02, 2022, 07:53:59 PM »
I don't understand the first line. As for the second line, no. Thank G-d.

 I think you're misunderstanding the crux of my point, which is that the CH riots are incomparable to race riots in modern America. They were a very different beast. It's not a matter of semantics, or arbitrarily drawing lines before 1990. It's about understanding the nature of the event in the context of the times. They were an antisemitic attack, not a violent "airing of grievances".
Look I understand your position clearly on this. You have made it crystal clear when it comes to antisemitism.

I just disagree with the crux of your point.
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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #88 on: November 02, 2022, 09:29:40 PM »
Look I understand your position clearly on this. You have made it crystal clear when it comes to antisemitism.

I just disagree with the crux of your point.

You've yet to provide a cogent argument on how it's wrong though.

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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #89 on: November 02, 2022, 09:35:31 PM »
You've yet to provide a cogent argument on how it's wrong though.
With just about all riots there is a flash point and a real or perceived grievance. Do we agree that happened here?
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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #90 on: November 02, 2022, 09:46:37 PM »
With just about all riots there is a flash point and a real or perceived grievance. Do we agree that happened here?

I agree there was a "flashpoint", the tragic death of Gavin Cato.

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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #91 on: November 02, 2022, 09:51:05 PM »
I agree there was a "flashpoint", the tragic death of Gavin Cato.
So you don't think the locals had a real or perceived grievance?
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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #93 on: November 03, 2022, 01:09:07 AM »
So you don't think the locals had a real or perceived grievance?
GET THE POINT ALREADY,]ITS IRRELEVANT nothing excuses or  lessens the  severity of such behavior

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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #94 on: November 03, 2022, 04:51:48 AM »
GET THE POINT ALREADY,]ITS IRRELEVANT nothing excuses or  lessens the  severity of such behavior
No one is excusing or lessening the severity of what happened.
If you are going to accuse me of not knowing what happened or not knowing the difference between different riots, then it is relevant.
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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #95 on: November 03, 2022, 03:48:08 PM »
How many Democrats condemned last night's attempted assault on the Republican candidate for Senate in NH?

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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #96 on: November 03, 2022, 04:01:52 PM »
How many Democrats condemned last night's attempted assault on the Republican candidate for Senate in NH?
Who was that, link?
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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #97 on: November 03, 2022, 04:04:10 PM »
Depape is here illegally. Probably be released shortly with nice compensation package, free housing in our best hotels, free insurance & phone.

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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #98 on: November 03, 2022, 04:10:23 PM »

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Re: The Pelosi attack.
« Reply #99 on: November 03, 2022, 04:11:57 PM »
Seems like only local and conservative media is reporting on it.
I can see why.
"I wouldn’t call it 'an assault,'" Bolduc said on Thursday.
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