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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #141 on: December 01, 2022, 12:17:48 PM »
Kyrie plays basketball, and is a marquee player in the league. Jerry Jones owns a team in another sport. Not quite the same....

Never mind that one incident is current, and the other occurred in 1957.
Never mind too that this story is a week old and LeBron was not available to the press when the story was going on since he was injured

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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #142 on: December 01, 2022, 12:18:07 PM »
LeBron was asked and commented many times about Colin Kaepernick. Why, he is not a basketball player? All I am pointing out is the question was a fair one based on Jones history.

He compared asking him about Kyrie to asking him about Jones - that's a DACOTY.

I agree, he absolutely has a point about the double standard regarding Jones, and he has every right to ask why that isn't being spoken about. But if he's going to complain about double standards, then he has to look in the mirror. He chose to be vocal about social issues when he had no obligation to. But then he has been on the wrong side of other social issues, notably Hong Kong / China and now Kyrie. If you are going to (rightly) criticize the league for its tolerance of racism against one group, be consistent when a different race or group is on the receiving end of racism from the league or fellow player.

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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #143 on: December 01, 2022, 12:24:22 PM »
He compared asking him about Kyrie to asking him about Jones - that's a DACOTY.
The only thing is he didn't compare anything. It seems now the standard is if you ask a question, it is a comparison?

If he is outspoken on social issues as you have pointed out, then why wasn't he asked about Jones?
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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #144 on: December 01, 2022, 12:38:37 PM »
The only thing is he didn't compare anything. It seems now the standard is if you ask a question, it is a comparison?

If he is outspoken on social issues as you have pointed out, then why wasn't he asked about Jones?

You're right, watching it again he does worse than compare, it sounds to me like he is supporting Kyrie or at least justifying.

I don't know why he wasn't asked about Jones, even looking at it from a pure media frenzy angle and not caring about racism. if I was a reporter, that's low-hanging fruit, it's a juicy controversy waiting to explode and get tons of clicks to get Lebron to blast Jones.


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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #145 on: December 01, 2022, 12:42:20 PM »
LeBron was asked and commented many times about Colin Kaepernick. Why, he is not a basketball player? All I am pointing out is the question was a fair one based on Jones history.

IIRC, he was only asked about it after publicly commenting on it. If he had tweeted or made a statement about Jones, he likely would have been asked about it.
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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #146 on: December 01, 2022, 12:43:26 PM »
One-sided view as I expected.

Trying to figure this one out... care to elaborate?
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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #147 on: December 01, 2022, 12:43:57 PM »
...it sounds to me like he is supporting Kyrie or at least justifying.
You need a hearing aid.  :)
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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #148 on: December 01, 2022, 12:46:49 PM »
You need a hearing aid.  :)

"When I watch Kyrie talk and he says, 'I know who I am', I wanna keep the same energy when we're talking about my people and the things we've been through."

What does that mean?

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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #149 on: December 01, 2022, 12:52:48 PM »
Are we really comparing a 14 year old boy standing in a racist crowd in 1957 Texas to a grown man tweeting support for racist ideology in 2022? I'm not saying the Jones picture isn't newsworthy, but they are nowhere close to comparable when setting a benchmark for double standards.
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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #150 on: December 01, 2022, 12:57:11 PM »
"When I watch Kyrie talk and he says, 'I know who I am', I wanna keep the same energy when we're talking about my people and the things we've been through."

What does that mean?
You tell me how you took it.

He knows even being a big star means nothing when it comes to racism. He wants the same energy from everyone when talking about racism.

I am no defender of LBJ but you are way off here. He is giving his take on how the media ignores certain racism just as you give your view on how the media does the same with antisemitism.
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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #151 on: December 01, 2022, 12:58:56 PM »
Are we really comparing a 14 year old boy standing in a racist crowd in 1957 Texas to a grown man tweeting support for racist ideology in 2022? I'm not saying the Jones picture isn't newsworthy, but they are nowhere close to comparable when setting a benchmark for double standards.
Another one-sided post. It is not just the picture as a one off. It is the history of Jones.
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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #152 on: December 01, 2022, 01:11:51 PM »
You tell me how you took it.

He knows even being a big star means nothing when it comes to racism. He wants the same energy from everyone when talking about racism.

I am no defender of LBJ but you are way off here. He is giving his take on how the media ignores certain racism just as you give your view on how the media does the same with antisemitism.

What does Kyrie saying "I know who I am" have to do with the double standard he's bringing up?

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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #153 on: December 01, 2022, 01:17:51 PM »
What does Kyrie saying "I know who I am" have to do with the double standard he's bringing up?
The double standard is asking about one controversy (against a black man) and not asking about another controversy (against a white man). Not sure how that can be any clearer.

"I know who I am" is talking about the racism they endured. The Jones photo is part of that racism.
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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #154 on: December 01, 2022, 01:19:43 PM »
The double standard is asking about one controversy (against a black man) and not asking about another controversy (against a white man). Not sure how that can be any clearer.

"I know who I am" is talking about the racism they endured. The Jones photo is part of that racism.

What does the racism Kyrie endured or endures have to do with being antisemitic?

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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #155 on: December 01, 2022, 01:20:50 PM »
The double standard is asking about one controversy (against a black man) and not asking about another controversy (against a white man). Not sure how that can be any clearer.

"I know who I am" is talking about the racism they endured. The Jones photo is part of that racism.
Did they not ask LeBron about Robert Sarver?

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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #156 on: December 01, 2022, 01:37:33 PM »
Did they not ask LeBron about Robert Sarver?
Yes they did.

LeBron James criticized the NBA on Wednesday for the league's lenient disciplinary action on Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver. Sarver received a one-year suspension and a league-maximum $10 million fineTuesday following allegations of making racist and misogynist remarks during his tenure as owner of the Suns and WNBA's Phoenix Mercury.
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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #157 on: December 01, 2022, 01:39:45 PM »
What does the racism Kyrie endured or endures have to do with being antisemitic?
LBJ brought antisemitism into this? I am now way confused.

Bottom line: It was fair for LBJ to be ask why he wasn't asked about the Jones photo. We are going to disagree and that sums it up.
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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #158 on: December 01, 2022, 02:49:45 PM »
Yes they did.

LeBron James criticized the NBA on Wednesday for the league's lenient disciplinary action on Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver. Sarver received a one-year suspension and a league-maximum $10 million fineTuesday following allegations of making racist and misogynist remarks during his tenure as owner of the Suns and WNBA's Phoenix Mercury.
Exactly so how are they not holding white people accountable?

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Re: Kyrie Irving Anti-Semitism
« Reply #159 on: December 01, 2022, 02:51:12 PM »
LBJ brought antisemitism into this? I am now way confused.

Bottom line: It was fair for LBJ to be ask why he wasn't asked about the Jones photo. We are going to disagree and that sums it up.

I already agreed to your bottom line.