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« Reply #100 on: November 16, 2022, 02:02:23 PM »
What's your question? The US was part of the investigation and had nothing to add 6 months ago. What did they realize now that they want to investigate and how would they go about investigating it?

You know that this is nothing more than a political move (a really low-handed one at that) and your pretzel is already all out of shape trying to justify it.
Look at the facts. There are several accounts of what happened. I don't trust any of them and that is why everyone should demand an investigation.

What part of my question don't you understand, and I will try and clarify?
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« Reply #101 on: November 16, 2022, 02:04:08 PM »
Look at the facts. There are several accounts of what happened. I don't trust any of them and that is why everyone should demand an investigation.

What part of my question don't you understand, and I will try and clarify?
The US was an active participant in every stage of the investigation. What changed?

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« Reply #102 on: November 16, 2022, 02:07:09 PM »
The US was an active participant in every stage of the investigation.
No they were not. Did they talk to the soldier that fired the shot? Did they talk to the eyewitnesses who claimed there were no militants in the area of the press?
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« Reply #103 on: November 16, 2022, 02:16:50 PM »
No they were not. Did they talk to the soldier that fired the shot? Did they talk to the eyewitnesses who claimed there were no militants in the area of the press?
News reports that I saw contradict this. But let's suppose this is correct. They agree that there were no militants around, and that the soldier fired the shot? Now, what? This is exactly what Israel said happened.

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« Reply #104 on: November 16, 2022, 02:22:30 PM »
News reports that I saw contradict this. But let's suppose this is correct. They agree that there were no militants around, and that the soldier fired the shot? Now, what? This is exactly what Israel said happened.
Why did this happen and how can it be prevented in the future?
More importantly for Israel, an investigation is needed dispel the rumor she was targeted.
Israel should welcome an investigation by the FBI. By stonewalling it gives the impression they are hiding something.
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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #105 on: November 16, 2022, 02:24:18 PM »
The timing of this shrieks politics. If they weren’t satisfied with that investigation why didn’t they announce their own one half a year ago ?

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« Reply #106 on: November 16, 2022, 02:27:04 PM »
Did they talk to the soldier that fired the shot?
Maybe yes maybe not. Assuming they didn’t, if they didn’t feel the need to then, what changed now ? If they tried but were turned down, nothings going to change now.

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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #107 on: November 16, 2022, 02:27:41 PM »
The timing of this shrieks politics. If they weren’t satisfied with that investigation why didn’t they announce their own one half a year ago ?
I am going to guess they gave in to the constant pressure from the family and certain members of congress.

After reading many different and conflicting accounts of what happened an investigation is warranted.
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« Reply #108 on: November 16, 2022, 02:30:22 PM »
Maybe yes maybe not. Assuming they didn’t, if they didn’t feel the need to then, what changed now ? If they tried but were turned down, nothings going to change now.
Then you put pressure and use whatever means we have available to make that happen.
How can you have an investigation without talking to the most important person involved?
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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #109 on: November 16, 2022, 02:34:37 PM »
The timing of this shrieks politics.

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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #110 on: November 16, 2022, 02:39:07 PM »

What political benefit does the current admin get by launching this investigation?
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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #111 on: November 16, 2022, 02:42:13 PM »
The timing of this shrieks politics.
+1. C'mon man.
Right after the US election and when Israel elects a right wing government?
This is like Obama telling Putin he'll have more flexibility after the election.
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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #112 on: November 16, 2022, 02:43:52 PM »
+1. C'mon man.
Right after the US election and when Israel elects a right wing government?
This is like Obama telling Putin he'll have more flexibility after the election.
What political benefit does the current admin get by launching this investigation?
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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #113 on: November 16, 2022, 02:48:37 PM »

Biden and Bibi have a famously frosty relationship. There's no way this happens under a left wing Israeli govt, which is why it hasn't come up until now.
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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #114 on: November 16, 2022, 02:50:43 PM »
Biden and Bibi have a famously frosty relationship. There's no way this happens under a left wing Israeli govt, which is why it hasn't come up until now.
You would be OK with this investigation if in your view it wasn't political?
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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #115 on: November 16, 2022, 02:52:50 PM »
You would be OK with this investigation if in your view it wasn't political?
There would be NO investigation if it wasn't political.

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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #116 on: November 16, 2022, 02:54:54 PM »
There would be NO investigation if it wasn't political.

And now we are getting somewhere?
I want to find out if the political stance is a red herring. It was a straightforward simple question. 
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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #117 on: November 16, 2022, 02:59:17 PM »
I want to find out if the political stance is a red herring. It was a straightforward simple question. 
No really, because it's asking a loaded question in a vacuum.

Nothing is more complicated than asking a question in a vacuum when it's a loaded question with external and practical factors to consider.

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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #118 on: November 16, 2022, 03:02:17 PM »
Biden and Bibi have a famously frosty relationship. There's no way this happens under a left wing Israeli govt, which is why it hasn't come up until now.

It's more than just about their frosty relationship, it's a strategic warning shot to Bibi to form a moderate government and not to assign key ministries to right-wing extremists, otherwise there would be serious ramifications in the US-Israeli relationship.

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Re: FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh
« Reply #119 on: November 16, 2022, 03:04:12 PM »
No really, because it's asking a loaded question in a vacuum.

Nothing is more complicated than asking a question in a vacuum when it's a loaded question with external and practical factors to consider.

Pretzel this all you want, but the biggest pretzel of all, is the one that isn't based in reality.
You and everyone here is just dismissing anything brought up. I understand why that is but that doesn't change the facts.

If you feel my question is loaded, then rephrase it.
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