FBI opens investigation into killing of Shireen Abu Akleh

[CountValentine]

It is literally what everyone here has been saying the entire conversation

So the FBI investigation is throw it at the wall and see what sticks in the eyes of the members here?

[aygart]

So the FBI investigation is throw it at the wall and see what sticks in the eyes of the members here?

Not sure where you got that from.

[CountValentine]

Not sure where you got that from.

My bad, what does this mean?

It is literally what everyone here has been saying the entire conversation

[aygart]

My bad, what does this mean?

That the investigation is holding Israel to a standard different than other democratic countries

[CountValentine]

That the investigation is holding Israel to a standard different than other democratic countries

Not sure if that is true. Interesting that everyone here believes it is true.
If true, why do you think that is?

[yelped]

Not sure if that is true. Interesting that everyone here believes it is true.
If true, why do you think that is?

??

[CountValentine]

??

What's the question?

[yelped]

What's the question?

That's what I'm asking.

The FBI is clearly applying a double standard to Israel, seeing that you could not prove otherwise. They never did this, apples to apples, to anyone else, especially when it is clear that it was unintentional on the part of an ally, the US was part of the investigation, the US specifically states they do not participate in this type of activity, and they waited until now.

[Yehuda57]

Not sure if that is true. Interesting that everyone here believes it is true.

Because no one provide another case where this kind of investigation happened. You brought up Khashoggi, but that was in no way analogous. This, by definition, is a double standard.

If true, why do you think that is?

For some people pressuring, it's age-old antisemitism. Others who are acquiescing to that pressure, it could be because they don't want to appear to be too supportive of Israel at the cost of "human rights" or being pro-Appartheid or whatever BS they've been led to believe is at play.

[CountValentine]

The FBI is clearly applying a double standard to Israel, seeing that you could not prove otherwise.

I disagree and they have investigated the deaths of US citizens abroad before.

...especially when it is clear that it was unintentional on the part of an ally

That is what an FBI investigation will hopefully determine.

[CountValentine]

You brought up Khashoggi, but that was in no way analogous.

It does not matter what I bring up as it is dismissed.
ETA: The FBI investigated the disappearance/death of Natalee Holloway. There have been countless others but what's the point when everyone sees this one way except me. 

[Yehuda57]

It does not matter what I bring up as it is dismissed.

We gave you a whole bunch of reasons why it should be dismissed. You didn't address them.

At the core of this conversation, which has been repeated ad nauseum, is that this investigation is a blatant double standard only being applied to Israel. You have ignored that and kept repeating the same story which does not address the double standard. Finally now, for the first time, you are saying it is not a double standard:

I disagree and they have investigated the deaths of US citizens abroad before.

Ok, which ones? Why were there no such investigations for the dozens of Americans killed in Israel at the hands of terrorists funded by the US?

[CountValentine]

At the core of this conversation, which has been repeated ad nauseum, is that this investigation is a blatant double standard only being applied to Israel. You have ignored that and kept repeating the same story which does not address the double standard. Finally now, for the first time, you are saying it is not a double standard:

I thought at the core it was politics. What is at the core is this forum only sees this issue that is not cut and dry as one way.

Ok, which ones?

See edit

[TimT]

adding that the “practical implications of the investigation will be minimal,” since the US has recognized that Abu Akleh’s shooting was unintentional.“

WTH is this supposed to mean ? “The US has recognized” ? Then why are we redoing this ? “Practical implications will be minimal” ? So this is just a big waste of time & resources.
How stupid do they take us to be ? The FBI can’t just go investigate overseas without it coming from the top.

The timing of this shrieks politics.

[CountValentine]

How stupid do they take us to be ? The FBI can’t just go investigate overseas without it coming from the top.

You mean the AG?

[Yehuda57]

I thought at the core it was politics. What is at the core is this forum only sees this issue that is not cut and dry as one way. See edit

What are the politics? Using double standards to pressure Israel!

See edit

The FBI helped out Aruban officials. They didn't investigate whether Aruban officials had killed her purposefully or not. If there are so many, why is it so hard to come up with ONE analogous case? US citizen is killed by a representative (soldier, LEO, etc) of a foreign democratic ally government that conducts an investigation, and then the FBI announces they are doing their own investigation.

[CountValentine]

How about this case?
Nope, it wasn't raining.
This one?
Nope, it wasn't the third Tuesday on the month.
This one?
Close, first name did begin with a W but last name was wrong.

Let me ask this again. Why when discussing a not cut and dry issue (maybe it is 60/40, 70/30 or even 90/10) why is everyone on the thread taking one side except me?

[gozalim]

It is cut and dry.
That's why our resident contrarian is having so much fun poking at it

[CountValentine]

It is cut and dry.
That's why our resident contrarian is having so much fun poking at it

So if I go on blogs discussing this all the comments will be for one side?

[Yehuda57]

How about this case?
Nope, it wasn't raining.
This one?
Nope, it wasn't the third Tuesday on the month.
This one?
Close, first name did begin with a W but last name was wrong.

Let me ask this again. Why when discussing a not cut and dry issue (maybe it is 60/40, 70/30 or even 90/10) is everyone on the thread taking one side except me?

Sorry, that's BS. Comparing Khashoggi to this is literally a joke. It boggles the mind that you think that it is in any way analogous. They literally murdered the guy in the most brutal way and barely tried to hide it. Then you brought up another case of an American who died abroad and how the US helped investigate - and mind you, they didn't do a full independent investigation, they helped process things the Arubans actually provided them. Again, absolutely zero similarity to the case at hand. There are countless Americans who were killed or died abroad, the US absolutely does not investigate their deaths unless there is a political angle to it or the other country asks for help.

So if they are investigating this without Israel asking, IT MUST BE BECAUSE OF POLITICS. The timing and the double standard bear this out.

Let me ask again, why would you say it is not cut and dry when everyone on this thread except for you has shown that it is clear as day that this is literally about politics and not an honest investigation?

Again, it makes no difference if *YOU* believe the FBI should investigate all American deaths, it makes a difference what the FBI actually do and has done. So *you* might not be about politics, but the FBI absolutely is.