The hate just never ends, another mass killing.

[dm123]

Terrible news.


Ironically it seems the attacker is helping normalize identifying people by their preferred pronouns.


https://coloradosprings.gov/police-department/article/news/update-shooting-club-q-names-released

Names of Victims

This news release is to identify the deceased victims of the shooting at Club Q Saturday, November 19. The Colorado Springs Police Department is identifying the victims by how they identified themselves and how their families have loved and identified them. Photos will be posted to the @CSPDPIO social media accounts.

[DaasTora]

He says that we don’t judge individual, we only talk about [ideas] what’s right and wrong according to the Torah. We don’t know necessarily know why God does something, and that it breaks our heart when attacks like this happen.

I’m sure he says other things too. Just randomly scrolled a bit.

He reminds us that the people there were sinners but implied that it’s not necessarily the reason for their deaths.
There are very clear gemaras discussing the onshim for that kind of behavior.

[CountValentine]

He reminds us that the people there were sinners but implied that it’s not necessarily the reason for their deaths.

I didn't watch it, but I'm fairly certain you don't want them

You were right, and I was wrong.

I just watched The Imitation Game. Ironic that so many lives were saved because of the work of a homosexual.

[yuneeq]

You were right, and I was wrong.

I just watched The Imitation Game. Ironic that so many lives were saved because of the work of a homosexual.

I’m guessing you didn’t watch Dahmer yet

[Alexsei]

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[CountValentine]

I’m guessing you didn’t watch Dahmer yet

Actually I did. What's your point?
Ping me when the Chaim Walder movie comes out.

[CountValentine]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/colorado-lgbtq-club-shooting-suspect-held-on-murder-hate-crime-charges/ar-AA14prwu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3dcb692381964c2f8e3b1e7a1caa20c0

[yuneeq]

Actually I did. What's your point?

I probably misunderstood your point, but got the idea that your views are influenced by a movie you saw.

[CountValentine]

I probably misunderstood your point, but got the idea that your views are influenced by a movie you saw.

It was not influenced. It made me aware of something.
You can be completely against certain behaviors but still feel for those that were killed.

[yuneeq]

It was not influenced. It made me aware of something.
You can be completely against certain behaviors but still feel for those that were killed.

Strongly agree

[mevinyavin]

You can be completely against certain behaviors but still feel for those that were killed.

Indeed. Avraham Avinu davened for Sedom - and their shita was that chessed is bad for society, diametrically opposed to his shita.

[DaasTora]

Indeed. Avraham Avinu davened for Sedom - and their shita was that chessed is bad for society, diametrically opposed to his shita.

There’s one thing in davening for people but another in calling killed sinners, martyrs.

[justaregularguy]

Indeed. Avraham Avinu davened for Sedom - and their shita was that chessed is bad for society, diametrically opposed to his shita.

i just heard this idea from r daniel kalish recently, did you happen to hear from him as well?

[mevinyavin]

i just heard this idea from r daniel kalish recently, did you happen to hear from him as well?

Almost everything I know, hashkafa, halacha, everything - is from my Rebbe, Rav Yitzchok Berkovits, Shlita. This included.
Agav, subsequently seen it in writing from Rabbi Yehonasan Gefen (in the name of his Rebbe, Rabbi Berkovits).

[randomjay]

Indeed. Avraham Avinu davened for Sedom - and their shita was that chessed is bad for society, diametrically opposed to his shita.

Would you say the same if the shooting was at a club for pedophiles? Now how do we decide for which sins Avraham Avinu A"H would or wouldn't daven? He certainly didn't daven for the Knaan's that were about to get killed out of their land. Can you guess what was the sins of the Knaanim?

[Alexsei]

Would you say the same if the shooting was at a club for pedophiles? Now how do we decide for which sins Avraham Avinu A"H would or wouldn't daven? He certainly didn't daven for the Knaan's that were about to get killed out of their land. Can you guess what was the sins of the Knaanim?

pedophiles? it's 2022.

[aygart]

Can you guess what was the sins of the Knaanim?

And Sedom?

[randomjay]

I know CV is waiting for this so here it is...

Obviously the shooter is an heinous murderer and will be punished here and in hell for the murders he committed. Only g-d can punish sinners and there is absolutely no justification for this murderer.

But... am I a bad person that I don't have any pity on these people? people that sin and are proud with them, and promote it to make sure as many people as possible are joining them. People that damage our children by making them overly focused and confused on sxuality and gender, and while frum schools are still protected, in NYC I am required to have my employees -many time 18 YO innocent frum graduates- watch an hour of their crap under the harassment prevention training.

I am sorry, but in my view these people are BAD and VICIUS, and even besides my religious opinion -which I am entitled to - they destroy any morality still left in this world.

They do not deserve my empathy.
 

[CountValentine]

I know CV is waiting for this so here it is...

No need to wait for something I already know.

[dm123]

I know CV is waiting for this so here it is...

Obviously the shooter is an heinous murderer and will be punished here and in hell for the murders he committed. Only g-d can punish sinners and there is absolutely no justification for this murderer.

But... am I a bad person that I don't have any pity on these people? people that sin and are proud with them, and promote it to make sure as many people as possible are joining them. People that damage our children by making them overly focused and confused on sxuality and gender, and while frum schools are still protected, in NYC I am required to have my employees -many time 18 YO innocent frum graduates- watch an hour of their crap under the harassment prevention training.

I am sorry, but in my view these people are BAD and VICIUS, and even besides my religious opinion -which I am entitled to - they destroy any morality still left in this world.

They do not deserve my empathy.

Yitamu chatoim, as chazal explain it, hate the sin not the sinner, pray for them to repent not for their deaths when change is no longer possible...