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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #60 on: November 23, 2022, 07:33:30 AM »
If only! Move on from him...
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #61 on: November 23, 2022, 07:35:53 AM »

It's time to find someone else to balme everything on...

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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #62 on: November 23, 2022, 07:40:41 AM »
It's time to find someone else to balme everything on...
Time for you to come out of the closet.
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2022, 10:55:48 AM »
Most hate crimes in NYC in 2021 were commited by minorities against other minorities. For example:
Of 59 arrests for Anti-Asian hate crimes: 15 were Hispanic, 5 were A/PI (Asian/ Pacific Islander), 31 were Black, and 7 were White
While 15 whites were arrested for Anti-Black crime,9 Blacks were arrested for Anti- White crime.
10 Whites were arreested for Anti-Semitic hate crimes, compared to 20 Blacks, 9 Hispanics, and 14 A/PIs
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/excel/hate-crimes/2021/hate-crime-arrests-by-motivation-annual-2021.xlsx

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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #64 on: November 23, 2022, 03:02:53 PM »
Most hate crimes in NYC in 2021 were commited by minorities against other minorities. For example:
Of 59 arrests for Anti-Asian hate crimes: 15 were Hispanic, 5 were A/PI (Asian/ Pacific Islander), 31 were Black, and 7 were White
While 15 whites were arrested for Anti-Black crime,9 Blacks were arrested for Anti- White crime.
10 Whites were arreested for Anti-Semitic hate crimes, compared to 20 Blacks, 9 Hispanics, and 14 A/PIs
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/excel/hate-crimes/2021/hate-crime-arrests-by-motivation-annual-2021.xlsx

Which is extremely sad. I have said before that the only racists who are not also anti-semites are the Jewish ones and the same in the other direction.
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #65 on: November 23, 2022, 03:21:02 PM »
Most hate crimes in NYC in 2021 were commited by minorities against other minorities. For example:
Of 59 arrests for Anti-Asian hate crimes: 15 were Hispanic, 5 were A/PI (Asian/ Pacific Islander), 31 were Black, and 7 were White
While 15 whites were arrested for Anti-Black crime,9 Blacks were arrested for Anti- White crime.
10 Whites were arreested for Anti-Semitic hate crimes, compared to 20 Blacks, 9 Hispanics, and 14 A/PIs
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/excel/hate-crimes/2021/hate-crime-arrests-by-motivation-annual-2021.xlsx
What is your point besides opening an account to stalk?

Who commits the crime as no effect on the crime being committed.

Chaim, your son was attacked last night but I have good news. The attacker was Jewish and not Black.
Thank G-d he was not Black.  ::)
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2022, 07:38:54 PM »
What is your point besides opening an account to stalk?

Who commits the crime as no effect on the crime being committed.

Chaim, your son was attacked last night but I have good news. The attacker was Jewish and not Black.
Thank G-d he was not Black.  ::)

The point is that "open season" on Jews or minorities implies that they are being targeted because they are Jewish or a minority. The perp being of the same race doesn't diminish the crime. However, listing those crimes in a thread meant to highlight the targeting of minorities blunts and distracts from the point you're trying to make.

I will say that just because the perp is a minority themselves, doesn't mean the victim's race isn't being targeted. We don't distinguish between Black, Asian, Hispanic, or White perps when the victim is Jewish, and we shouldn't view anti-Asian or anti-Black targeted violence any differently. The only point that can possibly be made by the number of minority perps is that racism isn't exclusively a White problem, like some in the media would have us believe.

Also important to note... sometimes crime is just crime. Criminals are people, too. Just like there are upstanding citizens who don't see race and just see people, there are plenty of criminals who don't see color, just opportunity.
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2022, 07:46:33 PM »
The point is that "open season" on Jews or minorities implies that they are being targeted because they are Jewish or a minority. The perp being of the same race doesn't diminish the crime. However, listing those crimes in a thread meant to highlight the targeting of minorities blunts and distracts from the point you're trying to make.
I am not following your logic. A minority targeting a minority is a hate crime the same as a white person targeting a minority. A hate crime is a hate crime no matter who the perp is.
The only point that can possibly be made by the number of minority perps is that racism isn't exclusively a White problem, like some in the media would have us believe.
This isn't about the media, politics or race.
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2022, 07:52:50 PM »
I am not following your logic. A minority targeting a minority is a hate crime the same as a white person targeting a minority. A hate crime is a hate crime no matter who the perp is.
A hate crime  is when "hate" is the motive behind the crime.
"Hate" in this context means hate of the minority not personal hate or vengeance of the victim.
In general (there are exceptions), when the victim and the perp are both members of the same minority, the motive is not "hate".
Therefore, crimes against minorities perpetrated by members of the same minorities, are not "hate crimes" rather they are "regular crimes".
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2022, 08:00:05 PM »
I am not following your logic. A minority targeting a minority is a hate crime the same as a white person targeting a minority. A hate crime is a hate crime no matter who the perp is.

If a Jew attacks a Jew, is it a hate crime? Is Black-on-Black violence a hate crime?

This isn't about the media, politics or race.

Sure it is. A person gets attacked. The media makes it about their race or sexual orientation or whatever grants them minority status. You then find out about the crime, and it gets posted in this thread. Come to find out, the victim(s) were targeted for reasons completely unrelated to their minority status (see bricks, LGBTQ+, Hell's Kitchen, for just one recent example). How is that not about politics or the media? Politics/media/race/orientation is literally the only reason you're reading about these stories on a national level, as opposed to the thousands of other violent acts which occur on a very regular basis all over the country.
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2022, 08:05:20 PM »
Sure it is. A person gets attacked. The media makes it about their race or sexual orientation or whatever grants them minority status. You then find out about the crime, and it gets posted in this thread. Come to find out, the victim(s) were targeted for reasons completely unrelated to their minority status (see bricks, LGBTQ+, Hell's Kitchen, for just one recent example). How is that not about politics or the media? Politics/media/race/orientation is literally the only reason you're reading about these stories on a national level, as opposed to the thousands of other violent acts which occur on a very regular basis all over the country.
So the "Its Open Season on Jews" thread is about the media, politics, race?
If a Jew attacks a Jew, is it a hate crime? Is Black-on-Black violence a hate crime?
If it is because of who they are, yes. The law doesn't make a distinction about the perp.
Exhibit A: Of 59 arrests for Anti-Asian hate crimes: 15 were Hispanic, 5 were A/PI (Asian/ Pacific Islander), 31 were Black, and 7 were White
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2022, 08:12:41 PM »
So the "Its Open Season on Jews" thread is about the media, politics, race?If it is because of who they are, yes. The law doesn't make a distinction about the perp.
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2022, 08:23:03 PM »
So the "Its Open Season on Jews" thread is about the media, politics, race?

Absolutely! It's about the race of the victims and the reason they were targeted, the refusal of the media to give most of these crimes any attention, and the politics of why the police pay a fraction of the attention to those crimes as they do to anti-Black or anti-LGBTQ+ crimes.

If it is because of who they are, yes. The law doesn't make a distinction about the perp.
Exhibit A: Of 59 arrests for Anti-Asian hate crimes: 15 were Hispanic, 5 were A/PI (Asian/ Pacific Islander), 31 were Black, and 7 were White

This doesn't illustrate your point as much as it highlights the stupidity of lumping the entire Asia and Pacific Islands into one melting pot of a "race." Try again with Exhibit B.
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2022, 08:27:25 PM »
This doesn't illustrate your point as much as it highlights the stupidity of lumping the entire Asia and Pacific Islands into one melting pot of a "race." Try again with Exhibit B.
Minorites commit hate crimes against other minorities. Twist it anyway you want but those are the facts that someone else posted. Now if you want to discuss this further, please start a new thread and I will answer.

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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #74 on: November 23, 2022, 08:32:49 PM »
Minorites commit hate crimes against other minorities. Twist it anyway you want but those are the facts that someone else posted. Now if you want to discuss this further, please start a new thread and I will answer.

You'll notice that I agreed with you and disagreed with the other poster. However, there is some nuance to this argument. If the perp and the victim are of the same minority, chances are it's not a hate crime, just plain old crime, so you can't just ignore the identity of the perp (again, see gay guy throwing bricks at gay club).
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #75 on: November 23, 2022, 08:33:59 PM »
You'll notice that I agreed with you and disagreed with the other poster. However, there is some nuance to this argument. If the perp and the victim are of the same minority, chances are it's not a hate crime, just plain old crime, so you can't just ignore the identity of the perp (again, see gay guy throwing bricks at gay club).
Now if you want to discuss this further, please start a new thread and I will answer.
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #77 on: November 28, 2022, 10:54:14 AM »
Buffalo shooter pleads guilty to 15 charges, including domestic terror motivated by hate
https://news.yahoo.com/buffalo-shooter-pleads-guilty-to-15-charges-including-domestic-terror-motivated-by-hate-155013072.html
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Re: Its Open Season on Minorities Master Thread!
« Reply #78 on: November 28, 2022, 01:10:56 PM »
Buffalo shooter pleads guilty to 15 charges, including domestic terror motivated by hate
https://news.yahoo.com/buffalo-shooter-pleads-guilty-to-15-charges-including-domestic-terror-motivated-by-hate-155013072.html
Doesn't sound like this was a case of open season
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