Poll

What do you call your mother in law?

Shvigger
28 (34.6%)
Her First Name
1 (1.2%)
Mom / Mommy / Ima / Ma (Whatever you call your own mother)
7 (8.6%)
Mom / Mommy / Ima / Ma (Whatever your spouse calls her)
28 (34.6%)
:Throat Clearing:
8 (9.9%)
Mrs. + Last Name
1 (1.2%)
Other (Please post)
0 (0%)
Broom rider
5 (6.2%)
"Decline"
1 (1.2%)
Bubby
2 (2.5%)

Total Members Voted: 81

Author Topic: What kind of Shvigger?  (Read 8131 times)

Offline yelped

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2015
  • Posts: 11010
  • Total likes: 4005
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 43
    • View Profile
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #100 on: December 17, 2022, 09:49:58 PM »
This conversation is hilarious. The terms people are comfortable with are purely cultural, yet you think there is an objective problem with others' preferences.

You feel uncomfortable with mommy, zol zein. I tell you people are uncomfortable with shvigger and you dismiss it out of hand. Why is their discomfort with shvigger worth less than your discomfort with mommy?

Calling someone mommy who is not your mother is so wrong, you would never call your wife that in front of your kids, like you wouldn't call your mother in law Bubby, or your kids teacher morah, or that older friend in shul fetter/uncle, etc etc.
That's not what I said, or at least, meant to say. But that can happen sometimes. :)

Offline yungermanchik

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Nov 2018
  • Posts: 2737
  • Total likes: 2091
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: Previous Signatures: If you chapped hana'ah from a post, like it; You think you know the answers and things are the way they seem.. it just ain't so -The Rebbe from Lublin-
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #101 on: December 17, 2022, 10:39:37 PM »
How did the older generation Roshei Yeshivos say daughter in law? I'm sure Reb Aaron didn't say DIL and likely his Talmidim were using his terms too.
Yishivishe Shprach is not simply Litvishe Yiddish. It is a different combination of words the organically evolved to become a way of speaking(or to quote Abie: "a linguistic potpourri"). It can be called Judeo-English in a similar Manner as Yiddish is Judeo-German or Ladino is Judeo-Arabic. It is primarily English with a sprinkling of Yiddish/Hebrew and Aramaic words, but by no means does it proport to contain all the words of Litvishe Yiddish.
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.

Offline yesitsme

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Posts: 5116
  • Total likes: 2238
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #102 on: December 18, 2022, 12:25:19 AM »
where is Pssssst.

Online Ver hut gazugt

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2021
  • Posts: 601
  • Total likes: 611
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: New york
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #103 on: December 18, 2022, 12:29:23 AM »
where is Pssssst.
  clearing throat option. Or the don't do that option.

Offline yungermanchik

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Nov 2018
  • Posts: 2737
  • Total likes: 2091
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: Previous Signatures: If you chapped hana'ah from a post, like it; You think you know the answers and things are the way they seem.. it just ain't so -The Rebbe from Lublin-
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #104 on: December 18, 2022, 12:36:10 AM »
Therein lies the crux of the issue, Yiddish speakers vs. Yeshivish Speakers.
And sometimes, even words that used are only used for one of multiple uses.
I might be completely off the base, but here's my theory:
In the English language the descriptive word for mother and it's honorific are two different words: Mother as in my mother, your mother, the mother of that family, vs. Mom (or mommy) is used when your talking to her or to a sibling about her.
On the other hand, in Yiddish, it is the same word Mamme that is used for both.
Therefore, when it comes to the Shvigger, amongst the English/Yeshivish speaking oilam, it is only a descriptive word. It is as strange to use as an honorific as saying to your mother, "Mother, please pass the salt."
But, for Yiddish speakers, there is no issue. They are used to having the same word for the descriptive and the honorific, so Shvigger can easily be used for both, Mother-in-law and Mommy-in-law. And perhaps, or rather likely, that is correct in the Yiddish language.
However, in Yeshivish it has only come to mean the descriptive word for Mother-in-law. So, there is no perfect word for addressing a Shvigger as there is no word in Judeo-English that means Mommy-in-law.
Small people talk about other people.
Average people talk about things
BIG PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IDEAS.

Offline EliJelly

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jan 2019
  • Posts: 3175
  • Total likes: 3598
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #105 on: December 18, 2022, 01:25:41 AM »
I might be completely off the base, but here's my theory:
In the English language the descriptive word for mother and it's honorific are two different words: Mother as in my mother, your mother, the mother of that family, vs. Mom (or mommy) is used when your talking to her or to a sibling about her.
On the other hand, in Yiddish, it is the same word Mamme that is used for both.
Therefore, when it comes to the Shvigger, amongst the English/Yeshivish speaking oilam, it is only a descriptive word. It is as strange to use as an honorific as saying to your mother, "Mother, please pass the salt."
But, for Yiddish speakers, there is no issue. They are used to having the same word for the descriptive and the honorific, so Shvigger can easily be used for both, Mother-in-law and Mommy-in-law. And perhaps, or rather likely, that is correct in the Yiddish language.
However, in Yeshivish it has only come to mean the descriptive word for Mother-in-law. So, there is no perfect word for addressing a Shvigger as there is no word in Judeo-English that means Mommy-in-law.

In true Yiddish there is the descriptive מוטער versus the honorific direct מאמי (or מאמע).

Offline rbs-g1.5

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite
  • ****
  • Join Date: Sep 2021
  • Posts: 415
  • Total likes: 367
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: bet shemesh
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #106 on: December 18, 2022, 02:48:55 PM »
In true Yiddish there is the descriptive מוטער versus the honorific direct מאמי (or מאמע).
true but i can't recall ever hearing anyone under the age of 90 using the word מוטער

Offline EliJelly

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jan 2019
  • Posts: 3175
  • Total likes: 3598
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #107 on: December 18, 2022, 03:16:43 PM »
true but i can't recall ever hearing anyone under the age of 90 using the word מוטער

In professional writing - always. The older generation even way below 90 uses it verbally too regularly. 

Offline ckmk47

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Aug 2012
  • Posts: 8032
  • Total likes: 1065
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 3
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: brooklyn
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #108 on: April 26, 2023, 05:46:10 PM »
My father in law used to call me Ahem. I don't consider it a respectful choice.
I call my MIL Mom. 
My kid in laws refer to my husband as totty when talking to me. One or 2 call him Shver when talking to him.

One of my DIL, would like to call me shvigger, but I have negative associations with that word. She has a lot of older brothers, so that's probably what her very traditional SILs call her mom. She's said flat out that since I'm not her mother, she won't be calling me Mom.  I don't know what she calls me, but it's not Ahem.
My young, American DIL calls me Mom.
My SILs are a mix of Mom, mom-when-forced-to-use-something.
My favorite cause: cssy.org

Offline EliJelly

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jan 2019
  • Posts: 3175
  • Total likes: 3598
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #109 on: April 26, 2023, 07:08:30 PM »
My father in law used to call me Ahem. I don't consider it a respectful choice.
I call my MIL Mom. 
My kid in laws refer to my husband as totty when talking to me. One or 2 call him Shver when talking to him.

One of my DIL, would like to call me shvigger, but I have negative associations with that word. She has a lot of older brothers, so that's probably what her very traditional SILs call her mom. She's said flat out that since I'm not her mother, she won't be calling me Mom.  I don't know what she calls me, but it's not Ahem.
My young, American DIL calls me Mom.
My SILs are a mix of Mom, mom-when-forced-to-use-something.

Total צומישעניש
אבער וואס טוט מען נישט פאר א שוויגער
 :)

Offline yuneeq

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jan 2013
  • Posts: 8880
  • Total likes: 4047
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 10
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #110 on: April 27, 2023, 04:53:18 AM »
My father in law used to call me Ahem. I don't consider it a respectful choice.
I call my MIL Mom.
My kid in laws refer to my husband as totty when talking to me. One or 2 call him Shver when talking to him.

One of my DIL, would like to call me shvigger, but I have negative associations with that word. She has a lot of older brothers, so that's probably what her very traditional SILs call her mom. She's said flat out that since I'm not her mother, she won't be calling me Mom.  I don't know what she calls me, but it's not Ahem.
My young, American DIL calls me Mom.
My SILs are a mix of Mom, mom-when-forced-to-use-something.

I like the way you use SIL and SIL interchangeably :)
Visibly Jewish

Offline yuneeq

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jan 2013
  • Posts: 8880
  • Total likes: 4047
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 10
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #111 on: April 27, 2023, 05:07:12 AM »
To her face: Usually nothing and sometimes “Mom”
To my wife when at their house or within context: "Mom"
To my wife not at their house/context: “your mother”
To my wife's sibling and spouses: "Mom"

Didn’t see this mentioned previously, but it bothers me to say “your mother” when talking with DW, it sounds/feels divisive even if it’s not meant to be. My mother is also “Mom” so I don’t have a way to differentiate other than saying “your mother” when it’s not obvious who I’m referring to.
Visibly Jewish

Offline AsherO

  • Global Moderator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 30K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 31016
  • Total likes: 7975
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 79
    • View Profile
  • Location: NYC
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #112 on: May 02, 2023, 07:23:03 AM »
Didn’t see this mentioned previously, but it bothers me to say “your mother” when talking with DW, it sounds/feels divisive even if it’s not meant to be. My mother is also “Mom” so I don’t have a way to differentiate other than saying “your mother” when it’s not obvious who I’m referring to.

Mom Cohen and Mom Goldberg?
DDF FFB (Forum From Birth)

Offline etech0

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Dec 2013
  • Posts: 12921
  • Total likes: 3383
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
  • Location: not lakewood
  • Programs: DDF
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #113 on: May 02, 2023, 07:57:09 AM »
Bubby Cohen and Bubby Goldberg?
FTFY
Workflowy. You won't know what you're missing until you try it.

Offline yuneeq

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jan 2013
  • Posts: 8880
  • Total likes: 4047
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 10
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NJ
Re: What kind of Shvigger?
« Reply #114 on: May 10, 2023, 11:41:19 PM »
Mom Cohen and Mom Goldberg?

That just sounds odds to me
Visibly Jewish