(False) Accusations Of Kehot Forgery

[imayid2]

The actual argument is that "those words are not the way the Tzemach Tzedek spoke in general."

That is factually incorrect though, he does use that expression in other places.

[imayid2]

Which now remains unanswered.

The later seforim which incorporate the earlier commentaries are usually more popular. Same reason why חיי אדם isn’t as learned as it used to be.
קונטרס אחרון is also not an easy read.

[EliJelly]

The later seforim which incorporate the earlier commentaries are usually more popular. Same reason why חיי אדם isn’t as learned as it used to be.
קונטרס אחרון is also not an easy read.

As I pointed out, merely his psakim are incorporated in later seforim (some of), not the rest, and that is something too valuable to be missed.

קונטרס אחרון is indeed not for the ordinary learner.

[dm123]

The actual argument is that "those words are not the way the Tzemach Tzedek spoke in general."

That is factually incorrect though, he does use that expression in other places.

Is the argument "He never used those exact words" or "its not his style" (perhaps in specific reference to the GRA? Still waiting for other examples where he quotes the GRA so we can compare the styles)?

[gozalim]

the main argument is that:
1. the 5709 edition was corrected, based on an original copy which they had access to
2. the line being replaced was a known, 'edit' by the printers then...

this story doesn't implicate the parties you think it does...

[imayid2]

the main argument is that:
1. the 5709 edition was corrected, based on an original copy which they had access to

Has this original copy ever been produced to support that?

Has this ever been substantiated?

[gozalim]

https://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/4831561/jewish/page.htm

[ExGingi]

whose honesty are you questioning?

On ה טבת...

[imayid2]

https://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/4831561/jewish/page.htm

They cannot have known this first hand. Obviously someone told this to them.

[gozalim]

They cannot have known this first hand. Obviously someone told this to them.

who is them?

[imayid2]

who is them?

The Rebbe and the Riyatz

[ExGingi]

They cannot have known this first hand. Obviously someone told this to them.

[gozalim]

as far as what happened in 5644:  (דעת תחתון)
The previous rebbe was 4 years old at the time,
more importantly, he grew up in the center of the chassidus, and would have heard the story from his father and grandfather as well as others who were actively involved in the printing and subsequent correction attempts

[imayid2]

As the catalogue noted there were some “fixed” versions. I have no reason to assume he didn’t have one, and assumed it was authentic.

[gozalim]

As the catalogue noted there were some “fixed” versions. I have no reason to assume he didn’t have one, and assumed it was authentic.

stop, read the whole letter, then come back here and get your allegations straight

[imayid2]

as far as what happened in 5644:  (דעת תחתון)
The previous rebbe was 4 years old at the time,
more importantly, he grew up in the center of the chassidus, and would have heard the story from his father and grandfather as well as others who were actively involved in the printing and subsequent correction attempts

So we have no idea who the story originated from. Maybe from someone coming from this perspective?

stop, read the whole letter, then come back here and get your allegations straight

Which point are you referring to?

[ExGingi]

As the catalogue noted there were some “fixed” versions. I have no reason to assume he didn’t have one, and assumed it was authentic.

Except that the catalog is taking a position without checking the facts. The Rebbe clearly writes that he has the FIRST PRINT and the text is as was printed by Kehos.

[imayid2]

The defense I’ve seen is that the original manuscript has since supported the change. I’d be very interested to know more about that.

[gozalim]

Has this ever been substantiated?

here's some more דעת תחתון for you:
The author and his children contracted a printer to print a manuscript,
as soon as the printed book gets back from the printer, the author's family sees a line has been switched out. they make an effort to trade in a corrected page.
this was done at the time of the printing, in 5644.

if they want to censor, they would have corrected it before sending to the printer...

[imayid2]

here's some more דעת תחתון for you:
The author and his children contracted a printer to print a manuscript,
as soon as the printed book gets back from the printer, the author's family sees a line has been switched out. they make an effort to trade in a corrected page.
this was done at the time of the printing, in 5644.

if they want to censor, they would have corrected it before sending to the printer...

Anything could happen. Question is if the whole source is because it can’t be the צמח צדק referred to the Gaon as holy.