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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2023, 07:56:11 PM »
In what way is electric superior for the oven? The cost of natural gas is lower than the cost of electricity.
If it wasn't clear from the context, I was not talking about cost to buy or to run - only what cooks/chefs/bakers/etc say does the best job (as Dan already replied about).
Speaking of dryers, I don't understand how we haven't come up with a more efficient method than dumping all the heat outside.
That's actually why I made that comment, since heat pump units generally don't require an outside vent. It came to my attention from a recent Matt Risinger (builder and vocal building science cheerleader on YT) about heat pump driers he put in his house, which he particularly likes because when you build a 'tight' house you want more control over any exchange of inside/outside air.
An electric heater can be just as efficient and produces no emissions. But what about the electricity used to run it? When natural gas is being burned in a power plant, only about 45 percent of the energy contained in it will be converted into electricity. As that electricity is transported and distributed, additional 6 to 10 percent is lost; and the amount of electrical energy delivered to a house is typically just one-third of the energy contained in the natural gas fuel. Consequently, the overall efficiency of a gas heater is almost three times as high than that of its all-electric counterpart.
That's why most discussion of switching heat based appliances to electric is around heat pumps and not resistance heating.

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2023, 08:06:33 PM »
This is crazy, instead of debating the "science" that gas stoves are dangerous and that's why they want it banned, most people on here are talking about other reasons.
Lets debate the science? Do you vent your gas furnace, water heater and dryer? If so, why?
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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2023, 08:07:58 PM »
Lets debate the science? Do you vent your gas furnace, water heater and dryer? If so, why?
Gas stoves cause asthma, that's how this retarded conversation started

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2023, 08:12:13 PM »
Gas stoves cause asthma, that's how this retarded conversation started
Forget about how it started or where it came from. Let's debate the science or are you afraid to?
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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2023, 08:39:11 PM »
Challah comes out much better in our electric oven than the gas oven.
Heavier or fluffier?

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2023, 09:08:42 PM »
Forget about how it started or where it came from. Let's debate the science or are you afraid to?
Do gas stoves cause asthma?

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2023, 09:25:24 PM »
Do gas stoves cause asthma?

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12.7% of current childhood asthma nationwide is attributed to gas stove use
https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75

Haven't read through the whole thing looking forward to hearing people's thoughts on it.

Now, yehuda57 posted a helpful looking thread earlier that had studies that seemed to refute this one, haven't gone through that properly to see what data they're basing on or if they discuss this study.
https://twitter.com/saeverley/status/1613218493305950208

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2023, 09:27:13 PM »


https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75

Haven't read through the whole thing looking forward to hearing people's thoughts on it.

Now, yehuda57 posted a helpful looking thread earlier that had studies that seemed to refute this one, haven't gone through that properly to see what data they're basing on or if they discuss this study.



What percentage of houses are built with vented hoods? I know that it is not required by code in NJ.

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2023, 09:33:36 PM »


So you agree that some percentage of childhood asthma is attributable to gas stoves, correct? They mentioned vent installation and usage as a second possible intervention:

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We posit that there are two such interventions to reduce the childhood asthma disease risk attributable to gas stoves: (1) removing the source by replacing gas cooking with cleaner alternatives (e.g., electric), and (2) reducing exposure through source ventilation (e.g., range hoods). Notably, ventilation is associated with the reduction, but not elimination, of childhood asthma risk [7]. Moreover, high-efficiency range hoods are not practical in all settings (e.g., apartment buildings). In homes with range hoods, they may not vent outdoors or be effective at removing combustion pollutants, and residents simply may not use them [8]. Indeed, according to National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey data, among children living in households that use gas stoves, only 21.1% live in households where the stove’s exhaust vent is always used.

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2023, 09:34:41 PM »
https://twitter.com/saeverley/status/1613218493305950208?t=udFAkmPXWZpxEP-kKU6cEA&s=19

I reposted that from yehuda57 already, was there something in it you wanted to draw my attention to in particular?

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2023, 09:34:42 PM »
https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/20/1/75

Haven't read through the whole thing looking forward to hearing people's thoughts on it.

Now, yehuda57 posted a helpful looking thread earlier that had studies that seemed to refute this one, haven't gone through that properly to see what data they're basing on or if they discuss this study.
Gas stoves cause asthma the same way vaccines cause autism

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #74 on: January 11, 2023, 09:35:42 PM »
I reposted that from yehuda57 already, was there something in it you wanted to draw my attention to in particular?
Didn't realize it was posted already

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2023, 09:38:28 PM »
Gas stoves cause asthma the same way vaccines cause autism

I didn't realize it before, but asthma and autism start with "a" so now I'm convinced. Thanks for enlightening me.


Perhaps CV was onto something?
Please move to the political forum.

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2023, 09:38:38 PM »
Gas stoves cause asthma the same way vaccines cause autism
Do you have anything real to say or are you just going to making assertions without backing them up.
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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2023, 09:41:09 PM »
I didn't realize it before, but asthma and autism start with "a" so now I'm convinced. Thanks for enlightening me.


Perhaps CV was onto something?
Its political when the people pushing this are pushing for a carbon free environment, the same people that want to ban gas powered vehicles, the same people that want us to all eat soy, the same people that banned plastic straws and bags, the same people that want you to stop flying ........

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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2023, 09:43:39 PM »
So you agree that some percentage of childhood asthma is attributable to gas stoves, correct? They mentioned vent installation and usage as a second possible intervention:
From a cursory look it seems that neither direction mimics real works conditions
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Re: Are gas stoves days numbered?
« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2023, 09:46:38 PM »
Its political when the people pushing this are pushing for a carbon free environment, the same people that want to ban gas powered vehicles, the same people that want us to all eat soy, the same people that banned plastic straws and bags, the same people that want you to stop flying ........

I'm not seeing a response to what I posted? There is a study that claims 12.7% attributable. Is there a response to it in that thread you posted? Please point it out to me, I'm not going through his 20 posts and sources right now.