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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #100 on: January 22, 2023, 02:50:34 PM »
Why no name?

I’d imagine a 9th grader is entitled to some degree of privacy. But Lakewood to JFK is a big trip.
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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #101 on: January 22, 2023, 02:52:14 PM »
Why no name?
because he is still alive
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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #102 on: January 22, 2023, 02:52:14 PM »
https://thelakewoodscoop.com/news/tls-exclusive-lakewood-yeshiva-bachur-was-set-to-travel-to-cleveland-on-plane-that-crashed/
One has to think about that story in few ways. One; The bochur would have died/injured in crash. 2; the plane would not have crashed in the ADDED zchus of this bochur. 3; רבות מחשבות בלב איש ועצת ה היא תקום

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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #103 on: January 22, 2023, 03:05:20 PM »
One has to think about that story in few ways. One; The bochur would have died/injured in crash. 2; the plane would not have crashed in the ADDED zchus of this bochur. 3; רבות מחשבות בלב איש ועצת ה היא תקום

אמר רבי יוחנן רגלוהי דבר איניש אינון ערבין ביה לאתר דמיתבעי תמן מובילין יתיה

(סוכה נג.)

Off topic, the above verse is embossed on the tombstone of R' Shmiel Teitelbaum after he passed away in Krakow away from home and was buried there

https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%90%D7%9C_%D7%98%D7%99%D7%99%D7%98%D7%9C%D7%91%D7%95%D7%99%D7%9D
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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #104 on: January 22, 2023, 03:08:55 PM »
An added passenger on a small plane would likely have changed the speed/trajectory/flight path ever so  slightly and the outcome could have been very different. It’s useless to speculate on the what ifs. Every step one takes, every small encounter can have cosmic proportions.

For example when I decide to step out of my home the exact second may make a life and death difference. I may pull in to the shul parking lot at the exact moment that Plony is about to pull out. The 5 second delay he has getting in the highway means he is never in the path of  the tractor trailer that veered out of lane and was destined to take his life and the whole trajectory of his wife, his children and grandchildrens lives is forever changed because I decided to come to davening 5 minutes early. Or it may be the delay puts him smack in the path of the truck and I am the factor that costed him his life.

I sat at a small event with someone who was fatally hit by a car crossing the street later that night. The thought fleetingly crossed my mind that if I had not engaged him in conversation for a couple of minutes as he was getting ready to leave his schedule could very well have changed and he would have crossed the road later that night just a minute or two earlier. He would still be there for his family and clients. But that fleeting thought was it. You move on.

You may have been the guy who walked into the chasunah with asymptomatic Covid the week before that fateful Purim time in 2020 and killed the grandparents of the chosson, the family Rov, and three friends of the family. You will never know. You are not meant to know.

One can obsess endlessly about these things but no one is privy to the השגחה עליונה that is בכל עת ובכל שעה. The bochur should certainly have a sense of gratitude that he is alive but there is no way to know if his joining the flight would have meant death or would have saved lives. מה עמקו מחשבותיך. They are not for us to comprehend.
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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #105 on: January 22, 2023, 03:12:55 PM »
They are not for us to comprehend.
That is why we look at the positive and not the negative.
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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #108 on: January 22, 2023, 08:37:48 PM »

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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #109 on: January 22, 2023, 08:43:22 PM »
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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #110 on: January 23, 2023, 01:03:19 PM »
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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #111 on: January 23, 2023, 01:50:29 PM »

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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #112 on: January 23, 2023, 03:22:30 PM »
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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #113 on: January 24, 2023, 07:56:14 AM »
https://thelakewoodscoop.com/news/tls-exclusive-lakewood-yeshiva-bachur-was-set-to-travel-to-cleveland-on-plane-that-crashed/
Thank God TLS got hold of another "exclusive" content to connect Lakewood somehow to the plane crash from Cleveland, not sure how they would have survived the newscycle otherwise

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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #114 on: January 24, 2023, 01:13:27 PM »
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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #115 on: January 24, 2023, 11:34:41 PM »
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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #116 on: January 25, 2023, 06:45:50 PM »

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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #117 on: January 25, 2023, 07:55:04 PM »


Excruciating watch when you know the end before it starts.

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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #118 on: January 25, 2023, 08:18:52 PM »
ATC was phenomenal

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Re: Small Plane With Frum Passengers Just Crashed
« Reply #119 on: January 25, 2023, 08:32:30 PM »
ATC was phenomenal
I'm no aviation expert, but I do wonder why the controller chose the runway HPN was using (16) and not 34. Seems like a shorter approach.


The emergency was declared here


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