How do planes go missing?

[Something Fishy]

Is it fireproof & waterproof ?

Shock and blast proof?

Waterproof and shockproof.

But the most important thing is the last known location, if all hell breaks loose and the device gets destroyed it won't be far.

[Euclid]

Waterproof and shockproof.

But the most important thing is the last known location, if all hell breaks loose and the device gets destroyed it won't be far.

Need to remember to keep it charged?

[Something Fishy]

Need to remember to keep it charged?

Lol everyone is so nitpicky

It can be plugged in or hard wired.

[yesitsme]

but would that add to the survivability?

[AsherO]

Just looked at my pics from one trip last summer, each aircraft I was on had an InReach.

Instant tracking and locating, regardless of cell phone coverage or waiting on FBI or ADS-B data... They don't play around in Alaska.

Forget about GA, if someone on board MH370 had one of these it would've been found in minutes.

Lol everyone is so nitpicky

It can be plugged in or hard wired.

But was InReach around when MH370 disappeared? I suspect it wasn’t. Either way, MH370 is suspicious because IIRC it’s pretty clear that there was active intervention (e.g, turning off transponders) to prevent the plane’s location from being tracked.

[AsherO]

but would that add to the survivability?

Of MH370? Or the recent JFK incident?

[Something Fishy]

But was InReach around when MH370 disappeared? I suspect it wasn’t. Either way, MH370 is suspicious because IIRC it’s pretty clear that there was active intervention (e.g, turning off transponders) to prevent the plane’s location from being tracked.

InReach came out sometime in 2014, and MH370 was in March of that year. So the timeline may indeed not line up.

[Deal Guy]

I see that they went to the right of Westchester airport and circled around to land from the left side. I'm sure that's the regular flight path.
Just wondering, (since I don't know anything about flying), if the person in the control tower, would've understood the severity of the emergency, could he have cleared all planes away from Westchester, and had them land the quickest way from jfk on a straight line, without them needing to circle around Westchester? Are such things even possible?

[AsherO]

I see that they went to the right of Westchester airport and circled around to land from the left side. I'm sure that's the regular flight path.
Just wondering, (since I don't know anything about flying), if the person in the control tower, would've understood the severity of the emergency, could he have cleared all planes away from Westchester, and had them land the quickest way from jfk on a straight line, without them needing to circle around Westchester? Are such things even possible?

Why don’t we let the experts investigate this?

The simple answer FWIU is that it was very cloudy and perhaps they were hoping for an instrument landing (ILS) and that requires certain approaches that line up with the equipment on the ground supporting those.

[yungermanchik]

I see that they went to the right of Westchester airport and circled around to land from the left side. I'm sure that's the regular flight path.
Just wondering, (since I don't know anything about flying), if the person in the control tower, would've understood the severity of the emergency, could he have cleared all planes away from Westchester, and had them land the quickest way from jfk on a straight line, without them needing to circle around Westchester? Are such things even possible?

There was a video posted here a while back about runway numbers that explained why planes have to approach from a specific direction, (against the wind, I think)
@TimT

[YitzyS]

(against the wind, I think)

IINM, planes don't have to approach against the wind, but it makes landing easier, because they can maintain lift at a much lower speed.

[yesitsme]

Why don’t we let the experts investigate this?

The simple answer FWIU is that it was very cloudy and perhaps they were hoping for an instrument landing (ILS) and that requires certain approaches that line up with the equipment on the ground supporting those.

Seriously why would this be different than covid

[yesitsme]

https://www.ivelt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=60171&start=250#p4070440

[yesitsme]

its seems like they ejected themselves, ejection seats are available but pricey
is there an affordable option for a parachute?

this was not the case, i based it on some aviation forum, but after speaking with someone 1st hand info from the search & rescue i was wrong

there are a few things here to look into
preventive maintenance,
how to deal with emergency situations when something goes bad mid flight
Search and rescue
recovery

garmin inreach only helps the last two
to find the solution for the problem we first need to understand what went wrong and that we don't know yet, all we know is that they were close to land, dropped altitude and clipped a tree, but we don't know why the altitude dropped  so quick

a pilot on KM is speculating that when the ATC said to go shallow he went to extreme, but we don't know

why is this treated different (in our minds) than a tragic car accident?
because many of us only relation to small planes are the accidents,
some of us have it in our dreams to fly one day, but such news makes it quite uncomfortable
usually things happen without any notice, but here the pilots noticed something is wrong and couldn't help themselves, such a situation passes shivers to others

bottom line we need to remember that the controller is the one above and everything has a reason and a cause regardless if we understand it or not

[Euclid]

this was not the case, i based it on some aviation forum, but after speaking with someone 1st hand info from the search & rescue i was wrong

I understood that they were ejected from the plane, which made me wonder why seatbelts + airbags didn't prevent that

[YitzyS]

why is this treated different (in our minds) than a tragic car accident?

I can't speak for others, but I can say what haunts me.

Of course, in terms of the tragedy of losing two pillars of the community, the cause of their petirah doesn't matter. But in terms of us feeling our own mortality, there is something much more haunting when a person has time to digest that they are possibly facing an imminent death. A car accident is often instant. But losing engines with little visibility is a scenario one has time to face. Hence the reason why it lacked so much sensitivity to forward the whatsapp messages, which is Exhibit A of this incredibly painful feeling, to others.

[YitzyS]

I understood that they were ejected from the plane, which made me wonder why seatbelts + airbags didn't prevent that

I don't know the details of this specific case, but in many air accidents, the entire seat is ripped off the floor. A seatbelt would do almost nothing.

[AsherO]

this was not the case, i based it on some aviation forum

Methinks you may have misinterpreted what you read there. I don’t think that forum was suggesting they used ejection seats.

[VacationLover]

its seems like they ejected themselves, ejection seats are available but pricey
is there an affordable option for a parachute?

https://cirrusaircraft.com/about/#:~:text=A%20desire%20to%20redefine%20safety,in%20an%20FAA%20certified%20aircraft.

[S209]

It’s so annoying. People go to the hospital for routine procedures and get freaked out by this thinking the hospital is asking because they expect them to die or something…

Worse, you’re incentivizing them to kill you.