How To Behave, When To Accuse, Bad Media, And More

[CountValentine]

That's your interpretation. Videos don't usually show intent.

Fair enough. The video shows him putting his hands on the child and then his arm around him and walking him towards the door. The mother stopped him and took her child from him.

It what world does crossing that line show he is innocent?

[yuneeq]

What law was broken in the video?

For a neutral POV - luring and/or attempted abduction

[jj1000]

Fair enough. The video shows him putting his hands on the child and then his arm around him and walking him towards the door. The mother stopped him and took her child from him.

It what world does crossing that line show he is innocent?

Innocent of what crime? Innocent of forced kidnapping. It certainly seems to do that imo.

With no video, I think kidnapping would still be the charge.

I don't have any insight into when the DA saw the video or what they are thinking.

[YitzyS]

Fair enough. The video shows him putting his hands on the child and then his arm around him and walking him towards the door. The mother stopped him and took her child from him.

It what world does crossing that line show he is innocent?

Would a video of a man touching a woman be crossing the line? But what if it is clearly explained after that the man was a paramedic and the woman was in cardiac arrest?

In this case, the halacha of not walking between two women, along with a lot of outside factors, was more than sufficient to convince everyone here that no malicious intentions were in play. And with a good lawyer, that could probably be communicated in court as well.

[CountValentine]

For you, because you don't understand the culture of the people in the video. Everyone part of that culture that sees the video, knows holy serious people, who are perfectly normal, asks a kid to helps him out, not a big deal.
The whole kidnapping thing is ridiculous, is that where you kidnap someone, in front of his family?, at a family Bris? Ridiculous.
And the kiss of the mezuza is the chef's kiss, that makes the whole thing even more hilarious.

I am not saying he was trying to kidnap the child. What I am saying is the video shows he crossed the line.

[imayid2]

It what world does crossing that line show he is innocent?

If the mother is declining to press charges at this point because she recognizes that it wasn’t what it seemed, should there be charges filed independently?

[skyguy918]

You realize that with filtered devices it is not always so simple to just watch a video.

Of course. So don't comment about it then.

[CountValentine]

Innocent of what crime? Innocent of forced kidnapping. It certainly seems to do that imo.

With no video, I think kidnapping would still be the charge.

I don't have any insight into when the DA saw the video or what they are thinking.

He was wrong for touching the child. That is what the video shows. I have no idea if he committed a crime.

I am shocked everyone is ok with strangers touching their kids.

[drosenberg88429]

If the mother is declining to press charges at this point because she recognizes that it wasn’t what it seemed, should there be charges filed independently?

Once you're dealing with the DA and felonies, especially when it concerns endangerment of a child, that's a difficult battle to fight. They like to press charges and push for plea instead of dropping charges to save face and to make it look like they're tough on crime and pad their numbers.

[Baruch]

I am not saying he was trying to kidnap the child. What I am saying is the video shows he crossed the line.

That line is determined by the culture of the community. In our community that line is not as red as in your community.

[drosenberg88429]

He was wrong for touching the child. That is what the video shows. I have no idea if he committed a crime.

I am shocked everyone is ok with strangers touching their kids.

To a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

[YitzyS]

He was wrong for touching the child. That is what the video shows. I have no idea if he committed a crime.

I am shocked everyone is ok with strangers touching their kids.

There is wrong like "not wiping shoes when coming in" wrong and wrong like "shot up a church and killed 34" wrong.

[Baruch]

He was wrong for touching the child. That is what the video shows. I have no idea if he committed a crime.

I am shocked everyone is ok with strangers touching their kids.

but being that you see that people in our community aren't as shocked, you should realize that what he did wasn't as off as you perceive it.
I think most people in our community in 2023 wouldn't ask a child because of the way the world is now, but it's not as weird in our community, these are the facts.

[CountValentine]

If the mother is declining to press charges at this point because she recognizes that it wasn’t what it seemed, should there be charges filed independently?

No. If the mother believes this was all a misunderstanding, then that should be the end of it concerning law enforcement.

There is still the issue of touching children you don't even know let alone you do know. Everyone needs to understand this. 

[dasmo801]

I am not saying he was trying to kidnap the child. What I am saying is the video shows he crossed the line.

The line is an arbitrary line that you drew. This interaction, as depicted on the video, is missing every element of a crime.
Unless there is more to this story, there is no way the charges are not dropped.

[CountValentine]

but being that you see that people in our community aren't as shocked, you should realize that what he did wasn't as off as you perceive it.
I think most people in our community in 2023 wouldn't ask a child because of the way the world is now, but it's not as weird in our community, these are the facts.

I am not disagreeing with you. The issue is the mother saw it a different way.

[drosenberg88429]

No. If the mother believes this was all a misunderstanding, then that should be the end of it concerning law enforcement.

There is still the issue of touching children you don't even know let alone you do know. Everyone needs to understand this.

In your perspective, every time Joe Biden pats a child or shakes their hand, or any time an elderly person crosses the street holding an adolescent's hand, it's grounds for criminal allegations?

[CountValentine]

The line is an arbitrary line that you drew.

Touching someone's child without their permission is an arbitrary line?

[CountValentine]

In your perspective, every time Joe Biden pats a child or shakes their hand, or any time an elderly person crosses the street holding an adolescent's hand, it's grounds for criminal allegations?

Strawman arguments.

[whacked1]

There is wrong like "not wiping shoes when coming in" wrong and wrong like "shot up a church and killed 34" wrong.

Which category do you place touching a strangers kids under? "not wiping shoes when coming in" or "shot up a church and killed 34"

I would be upset if anyone walks with my kid with his arm around his shoulders. Even someone that knows him, like his Rebbi. How do you think grooming happens?!