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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2023, 10:46:53 PM »
Is this what is happening to him and his family in the community he lives in?
Not exactly sure since its been a little to short to tell how this has impacted him or his family. But anyone with a record or even a whiff of some sort of child predator anything will have extra unwanted challenges in life.

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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2023, 11:25:19 PM »
I know this may be a radical idea, but perhaps all the Jewish media sites should post his actual name now, so that the truth should come up when someone Googles his name. Right now, Googling the name will bring up ONLY negative stories, but ZERO Jewish sites named him. Maybe it would be a great service to him to write his name now in an article so that people Googling him in the future will see the truth?

Something like "Allegations against {Real Name Here} Proven Bogus After Video Footage Released."

It's not a regular thing for Jewish sites to do, but maybe it's worth doing as a FAVOR for the man? Maybe someone could make the effort to call the man, or his lawyer (Avi Moskowitz), and ask if they would want his name released in the Jewish community at this point, so that a counterview would come up in a search?

@Dan would you have any interest? Intentional or not, you are a trusted name in the media world, and you may be able to save this man in the future when a potential mechutan may search his name...
Upon thinking about this more, I came up with a plan that may be more desirable to the man. What if Jewish media outlets would post such a story WITHOUT putting it on their homepage. Meaning that it would only be seen if the name was searched, and would not be visible to casual viewers on the site.

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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2023, 11:37:08 PM »
Can he sue her for defamation or in BD? Maybe he should, to teach people a lesson in motzi shem ra once and for all.
I'm sure that while the police were after him and arresting him, she was spreading to everyone how he molested and attempted to kidnap her son.

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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2023, 11:37:37 PM »
Upon thinking about this more, I came up with a plan that may be more desirable to the man. What if Jewish media outlets would post such a story WITHOUT putting it on their homepage. Meaning that it would only be seen if the name was searched, and would not be visible to casual viewers on the site.
I think @YitzyS should run the world for us he’s got good ideas.
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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2023, 11:39:59 PM »
Can he sue her for defamation or in BD? Maybe he should, to teach people a lesson in motzi shem ra once and for all.
I'm sure that while the police were after him and arresting him, she was spreading to everyone how he molested and attempted to kidnap her son.
Good thing you are sure....just like she was sure lol

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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #65 on: January 26, 2023, 11:41:13 PM »
Can he sue her for defamation or in BD? Maybe he should,
not happening

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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2023, 11:42:08 PM »
I know this may be a radical idea, but perhaps all the Jewish media sites should post his actual name now, so that the truth should come up when someone Googles his name. Right now, Googling the name will bring up ONLY negative stories, but ZERO Jewish sites named him. Maybe it would be a great service to him to write his name now in an article so that people Googling him in the future will see the truth?

Something like "Allegations against {Real Name Here} Proven Bogus After Video Footage Released."

It's not a regular thing for Jewish sites to do, but maybe it's worth doing as a FAVOR for the man? Maybe someone could make the effort to call the man, or his lawyer (Avi Moskowitz), and ask if they would want his name released in the Jewish community at this point, so that a counterview would come up in a search?

@Dan would you have any interest? Intentional or not, you are a trusted name in the media world, and you may be able to save this man in the future when a potential mechutan may search his name...
I’m no Rav but this still sounds like LH.

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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #67 on: January 26, 2023, 11:43:23 PM »
I’m no Rav but this still sounds like LH.
It would only be done with permission from the person.

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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #68 on: January 26, 2023, 11:51:42 PM »
Did the guy grab the kid and take him outside or not?

He was walking with the kid towards the door, the mother grabbed the boy right before then. If he was intending to let go before he left there’s no way to know from the video.

And I really don’t understand what video everyone is watching, because without assuming his innocence everything I see is straight out of the predator playbook. He may not be guilty, but there are huge red flags with or without the explanation. And I’m truly hoping it was an honest dumb mistake on his part, but all I see from the video is that he needs evidence if he wants to fully exonerate himself and confirm his story is not an alibi. Hopefully he has that evidence, and I want it to be true because he looks like a nice guy, but that alone is not enough.

I do wish the story did not go public until they determined he was guilty.
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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #69 on: January 26, 2023, 11:59:46 PM »
He was walking with the kid towards the door, the mother grabbed the boy right before then. If he was intending to let go before he left there’s no way to know from the video.

And I really don’t understand what video everyone is watching, because without assuming his innocence everything I see is straight out of the predator playbook. He may not be guilty, but there are huge red flags with or without the explanation. And I’m truly hoping it was an honest dumb mistake on his part, but all I see from the video is that he needs evidence if he wants to fully exonerate himself and confirm his story is not an alibi. Hopefully he has that evidence, and I want it to be true because he looks like a nice guy, but that alone is not enough.

I do wish the story did not go public until they determined he was guilty.
WOW!!! Didn't see this coming from anyone.
I did find it odd that everyone was talking about this video that shows he is innocent but no one posting it.
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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2023, 12:05:35 AM »
One more point - assuming he is found 100% innocent and had no bad intentions, at the time of the incident it was clear that he crossed the line to arouse reasonable suspicion. When people say that “nothing happened, just look at the video” - we are perpetuating the idea that red flags can be ignored when the person is respected.
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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #71 on: January 27, 2023, 12:08:42 AM »
One more point - assuming he is found 100% innocent and had no bad intentions, at the time of the incident it was clear that he crossed the line to arouse reasonable suspicion. When people say that “nothing happened, just look at the video” - we are perpetuating the idea that red flags can be ignored when the person is respected.
you must come from a different point of view, but if you know that you aren't supposed to walk between women unless you hold on to someone else, thats exactly what he did here

is it the first time you hear about this concept?
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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #72 on: January 27, 2023, 12:11:45 AM »
you must come from a different point of view, but if you know that you aren't supposed to walk between women unless you hold on to someone else, thats exactly what he did here

is it the first time you hear about this concept?

Not at all. Even with context it still raises red flags.
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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #74 on: January 27, 2023, 12:13:38 AM »
Not at all. Even with context it still raises red flags.
thats because in the media state we are in, he did nothing wrong, what would you do?
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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #75 on: January 27, 2023, 12:13:57 AM »
you must come from a different point of view, but if you know that you aren't supposed to walk between women unless you hold on to someone else, thats exactly what he did here
I guess the mother has a different point of view also.
Ok I watched the video, and he crossed the line. All this outrage is uncalled for.
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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #76 on: January 27, 2023, 12:15:43 AM »
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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #77 on: January 27, 2023, 12:29:14 AM »
https://shulchanaruchharav.com/passing-between-two-men-women/

I know about this. I don’t know about the part where you have to go over to a random kid and put your hand around him. And given the guy walked away he wasn’t giving any explanation until afterwards. What do you see from her perspective?
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YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #78 on: January 27, 2023, 12:30:19 AM »
There were at least 3 men there that he could have asked. He definitely didn't do himself any favors

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Re: YaWN Shem Reshaim Yirkav
« Reply #79 on: January 27, 2023, 12:42:44 AM »
Idk what i find strange is that they ran to conclusions too quick maybe like look at the camera.

In today’s world shouldn’t the first thing the police do is look at surveillance video? Isn’t that standard procedure these days? Was that done before he was put in jail?