Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals

[CountValentine]

How do you square that understanding with a Jew being able to go into a mosque?

I have no idea but am listening.

[imayid2]

You believe I worship idols, correct?

Not at all accurate. Judaism demands a sublime oneness of God which Christianity doesn’t reflect in its view. The correct term is שיתוף. Not exactly sure the perfect translation here.

Either way it’s worlds apart from idol worship. Maimonides hails the spread of Christianity as a positive sign.

[CountValentine]

I can respect you as a person and I'm tolerant of your religious believes. Same as you would do with Hindus worshiping the cow. You look at them as worshiping a ... cow, right? is that a sign of respect?

I think you have the wrong person. I have no issue with other religions.

[YitzyS]

You believe I worship idols, correct? If so, I should take that as a sign of respect?

There is far more nuance in halacha than can be discussed on an online forum. There are thousands of halachic works that delve into every aspect of every Torah commandment. You want to understand why halacha sees Catholic beliefs as being in the same category as idol worship? That is the subject of tens of thousands of halachic discussions throughout the millennia.

Among that nuance there is clear direction as to why Islam does not have the criteria to be included in that prohibition. I'm sure you can find places that delve into the depth. Maybe some here on DDF may be wiling to do it.

[yuneeq]

Have no idea but it won't matter. We are going to believe the Russia media from 25 years ago. 

Paint a universally-accepted source however you’d like - I empathize that it’s hard to come to terms that your childhood hero is a Hitler-lover that enjoys beating up women.

Seems to be a generational thing

Are they going to celebrate Hull at their next home game next Tuesday? Will they simply let it pass, and perhaps risk an older generation of their fans who have always refused to see what Hull actually was?

https://deadspin.com/bobby-hull-obituary-chicago-blackhawks-domestic-abuse-1850049811

[imayid2]

I have no idea but am listening.

Because there is no son-of-God doctrine in regards to Mohammed. He’s viewed as a prophet.

[CountValentine]

You want to understand why halacha sees Catholic beliefs as being in the same category as idol worship?

No. I am not questioning the why about your religion. I was told that me praying to the Virgin Mary, Mother of G-d is idol worship according to Judaism. If what I was told is true, then you believe I worship idols. Should I take that as a sign of respect?

If anything, I am asking is not civil or out of line just let me know.

[CountValentine]

Paint a universally-accepted source however you’d like

You can spew all the hate towards BH that you want. I am painting a picture of something that blew up in your face! 

[imayid2]

If so, I should take that as a sign of respect?

Why do you consider it disrespectful for a religion on its own terms to dictate beliefs to its adherents about other religions? That’s what religions do.
What does Christianity say about those who don’t accept Jesus as their savior? Should Jews take it as a sign of respect? How is that any different?

[EliJelly]

I think you have the wrong person. I have no issue with other religions.

Okay so religion isn't just a lip service we do where we pour verbiage on sweet talk. Answer the question please, you know someone worships a cow, he believes that the cow created and runs the world, not the almighty God, you, Jews and Muslims believe in. You view it as believing in a grass feeding stinky creature the cow is. How exactly does that translate into respecting that person's religion?? Are you respecting that person? Sure. His religion? how so?

When you continue with the sweet talk it rather shows again;

Then you must ask yourself if you have any idea what religion is really all about.

[YitzyS]

No. I am not questioning the why about your religion. I was told that me praying to the Virgin Mary, Mother of G-d is idol worship according to Judaism. If what I was told is true, then you believe I worship idols. Should I take that as a sign of respect?

If anything, I am asking is not civil or out of line just let me know.

Although I try to be well-versed in halacha, and I know that halacha prohibits entering a church, I have not had the opportunity yet to study in depth the halachic discussions surrounding these halachos. I therefore defer to others to answer the specifics about this question.

[imayid2]

No. I am not questioning the why about your religion. I was told that me praying to the Virgin Mary, Mother of G-d is idol worship according to Judaism. If what I was told is true, then you believe I worship idols. Should I take that as a sign of respect?

Idol worship is a loose term. It’s used all the time for any variation of what Judaism perceives as lessened form of sublime “Oneness”. It does not negate the fact that

it’s worlds apart from idol worship. Maimonides hails the spread of Christianity as a positive sign.

Although some of the details are of Halachik debate to exactly what Christianity is considered in the eyes of Halacha. IIRC  some authorities di have it as more than שיתוף, but still totally different story to paganism.

[CountValentine]

Okay so religion isn't just a lip service we do where we pour verbiage on sweet talk. Answer the question please, you know someone worships a cow, he believes that the cow created and runs the world, not the almighty God, you, Jews and Muslims believe in. You view it as believing in a grass feeding stinky creature the cow is. How exactly does that translate into respecting that person's religion?? Are you respecting that person? Sure. His religion? how so?

When you continue with the sweet talk it rather shows again;

I have no idea what we see in the world is a test from G-d or not. All I can do is try and follow the best I can what I believe G-d expects from me.

[CountValentine]

Idol worship is a loose term. It’s used all the time for any variation of what Judaism perceives as lessened form of sublime “Oneness”. It does not negate the fact that

Ok so we have defined words. Is there a punishment for me praying to the Virgin Mary?

[CountValentine]

Although I try to be well-versed in halacha, and I know that halacha prohibits entering a church, I have not had the opportunity yet to study in depth the halachic discussions surrounding these halachos. I therefore defer to others to answer the specifics about this question.

Fair enough.

[imayid2]

Ok so we have defined words. Is there a punishment for me praying to the Virgin Mary?

I would need to check on this. I believe it’s subject to a dispute among earlier authorities. According to some Christianity isn’t forbidden for Gentiles only for Jews. I think it’s a minority opinion though, and that most would say that according to Judaism that would be forbidden.

Now I want to know

What does Christianity say about those who don’t accept Jesus as their savior? Should Jews take it as a sign of respect? How is that any different?

[CountValentine]

I would need to check on this. I believe it’s subject to a dispute among earlier authorities. According to some Christianity isn’t forbidden for Gentiles only for Jews.

Ok how about the other example someone gave. Worshiping a cow?

[YitzyS]

Can't vouch for everything written here, but there is a lot of information on the subject

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

[CountValentine]

Can't vouch for everything written here, but there is a lot of information on the subject

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

Is idol worship described in Judaism where the average person can understand?
Would this sum it up: idolatry connotes the worship of something or someone other than the Abrahamic god as if it were God.

[YitzyS]

Is idol worship described in Judaism where the average person can understand?
Would this sum it up: idolatry connotes the worship of something or someone other than the Abrahamic god as if it were God.

Again, I'm not an expert in this field, but I think that the basic idea is as follows.

The first two of the 10 commandments are "I am G-d," and "You should not have any other Gods". IIMN many authorities say that only the first is included in the seven Noahide laws. Some religions are only a violation of the second commandment but not the first, as they believe in G-d, but they also believe in another power.

Thus, for a Jew, who is commanded to observe ALL the commandments, the Catholic religion falls under the umbrella of "Idol Worship," which is the halachic terminology for something that violates any of those two commandments. But if a Gentile is only obligated to fulfil the first, it's likely that a Catholic is NOT in violation of the first.

Fellow Jewish DDFers, please correct me if I'm wrong about this.