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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #120 on: February 02, 2023, 10:23:30 PM »
Thus, for a Jew, who is commanded to observe ALL the commandments, the Catholic religion falls under the umbrella of "Idol Worship," which is the halachic terminology for something that violates any of those two commandments. But if a Gentile is only obligated to fulfil the first, it's likely that a Catholic is NOT in violation of the first.
Houston we have a problem.  :)
Catholics only have one G-d. When we pray to the Virgin Mary we are not praying to G-d.
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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #121 on: February 02, 2023, 10:29:09 PM »
Houston we have a problem.  :)
Catholics only have one G-d. When we pray to the Virgin Mary we are not praying to G-d.
It's still possible that in the nuances of halacha that would be defined as praying to a god.

Again, there are others here that have probably studied this more than me and can give a more definite answer.

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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #122 on: February 02, 2023, 10:30:31 PM »
Houston we have a problem.  :)
Catholics only have one G-d. When we pray to the Virgin Mary we are not praying to G-d.
So you’re praying to an intermediary?

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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #123 on: February 02, 2023, 10:46:44 PM »
I feel like this is a bit of a non productive discussion. Like almost every marriage, we have some irreconcilable differences. The maker or breaker of a successful marriage is not whether the differences exist or not, but whether you can make peace with those differences and not allow them to define and interfere with your relationship. Churchill defined a fanatic as someone who can't change his mind and can't change the subject. We can't change our minds about certain things, but I don't think we're fanatics, because we don't have to make that be an impediment and central theme of our relationship. Yes, certain practices are unacceptable for us to do and sanction. I'm assuming you don't sanction us waving chickens around our head annually either (for those of us that do it). However, we don't have to make that into a sticking point, and can move on to other areas of common ground. We still respect you tremendously.

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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #124 on: February 02, 2023, 10:47:40 PM »
So you’re praying to an intermediary?
Basically but I am no expert. Maybe other Catholics will chime in.  :)
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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #125 on: February 02, 2023, 10:54:20 PM »
Basically but I am no expert. Maybe other Catholics will chime in.  :)
Lol.
In a nutshell the very belief in the Trinity is at odds with the the unity of God the way Judaism understands it. Not sure exactly how that manifests itself into prayer, and “the Virgin Mary” isn’t one of the three so I’m not sure about that.

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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #126 on: February 02, 2023, 10:59:36 PM »
We can have pretty extensive discussions on the Jewish view on 2 subjects brought up here.

A) Whether non Jews are precluded/would be considered to have idolatrous beliefs if they believe in a partner or other being with power alongside G-d. (I'm not saying that Catholicism believes in this - you would be better equipped to clarify that.)

B) Whether Jews can talk to intermediaries (angels, departed souls, etc) and request that they advocate and intercede on their behalf to G-d.


Both of these are subject to extensive discussion and differences of opinion from very early Halachic authorities in Judaism.

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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #127 on: February 02, 2023, 11:01:57 PM »
No. I am not questioning the why about your religion. I was told that me praying to the Virgin Mary, Mother of G-d is idol worship according to Judaism. If what I was told is true, then you believe I worship idols. Should I take that as a sign of respect?

If anything, I am asking is not civil or out of line just let me know.

What does whether or not it is considered idol worship have to do with whether we can respect a person who believes in it?
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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #128 on: February 02, 2023, 11:09:16 PM »
What does whether or not it is considered idol worship have to do with whether we can respect a person who believes in it?
Idol worship>bad thing>bad person>no respect
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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #129 on: February 02, 2023, 11:13:39 PM »
Idol worship>bad thing>bad person>no respect

I would say that this is not necessarily true, if the bad belief or practice isn't inherently unethical and we can understand the mindset or background of why someone acts or believes a certain way. That's why open-mindedness and trying to understand other view points is important, even if we're not going to change our personal opinions about an activity or belief.

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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #130 on: February 02, 2023, 11:18:33 PM »
We can have pretty extensive discussions on the Jewish view on 2 subjects brought up here.

A) Whether non Jews are precluded/would be considered to have idolatrous beliefs if they believe in a partner or other being with power alongside G-d. (I'm not saying that Catholicism believes in this - you would be better equipped to clarify that.)

B) Whether Jews can talk to intermediaries (angels, departed souls, etc) and request that they advocate and intercede on their behalf to G-d.

Both of these are subject to extensive discussion and differences of opinion from very early Halachic authorities in Judaism.
Don't we already have a thread for this called "Ask a Lubabvitcher anything"? 

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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #131 on: February 02, 2023, 11:20:51 PM »
Hmm
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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #132 on: February 02, 2023, 11:23:23 PM »
Don't we already have a thread for this called "Ask a Lubabvitcher anything"? 

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To sum up this thread:

A Jew may walk into a mosque according to most opinions.
A Jew can walk into a church according to some opinions.
A Jew may walk into Bobby Hull's house according to a few opinions.
A Jew may walk into 770 according to almost no opinions.


Did I get that right?

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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #133 on: February 02, 2023, 11:23:44 PM »
Hmm
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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #134 on: February 02, 2023, 11:24:23 PM »
To sum up this thread:

A Jew may walk into a mosque according to most opinions.
A Jew can walk into a church according to some opinions.
A Jew may walk into Bobby Hull's house according to a few opinions.
A Jew may walk into 770 according to almost no opinions.


Did I get that right?
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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #135 on: February 03, 2023, 03:10:52 AM »
When is the last time you heard of a Catholic refusing to go into a synagogue? Would you go into a Catholic church?
maybe because the jews commitment to judaism is stronger than the catholics commitment to christianity?

No. I am not questioning the why about your religion. I was told that me praying to the Virgin Mary, Mother of G-d is idol worship according to Judaism. If what I was told is true, then you believe I worship idols. Should I take that as a sign of respect?

If anything, I am asking is not civil or out of line just let me know.

You believe I worship idols, correct? If so, I should take that as a sign of respect?
my respect to u definitely doesnt come from who u worship

Ok so we have defined words. Is there a punishment for me praying to the Virgin Mary?
is there a punishment for me for not?

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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #136 on: February 03, 2023, 06:28:24 AM »
maybe because the jews commitment to judaism is stronger than the catholics commitment to christianity?
No and Catholics don't have a commitment to Christianity. They have a commitment to Catholicism. Small but important distinction.
is there a punishment for me for not?
Not understanding, what are you being punished for? 
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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #137 on: February 03, 2023, 04:48:06 PM »
You can spew all the hate towards BH that you want. I am painting a picture of something that blew up in your face!  :)

Funny enough, no one in the media or hockey world shares your view - not even Hawks fans. But you probably have the classy Hawks front office commiserating with you.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hawks/comments/gw9sqg/the_bobby_hull_problem/
https://www.reddit.com/r/hawks/comments/10p4dqc/former_blackhawks_great_bobby_hull_dies_at_84/
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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #138 on: February 03, 2023, 05:22:15 PM »
You want to bash the guy go right ahead as most of it is deserved. What wasn't right was you posting it in the wrong thread. That has now been solved.

I dispute your antisemite claim. I could be wrong but you on the other have not shown one verifiable quote he made against Jews. Here is a guy, drunk most of the time and you think he would be saying crazy things all the time. Now continue your obsession with him and waste numerous more hours trying to find them. Maybe you will succeed and will all pat you on the back.

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Re: Death of Nazi Sympathizers and other Repugnant Individuals
« Reply #139 on: February 03, 2023, 05:49:48 PM »
“When you are absolutely, positively sure you know all there is to know about anything, you’re as far from the truth as you will ever be...”

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