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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2023, 01:45:07 PM »
This knife is carried for short notice airway obstruction. To cut an opening so someone can breath.

Either way, that wouldn't make a difference regarding chisaron kis.
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2023, 01:45:18 PM »
I got your back. What type of meat did you use?
Ask my butcher, but looks like top sirloin.
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2023, 01:46:35 PM »
Either way, that wouldn't make a difference regarding chisaron kis.
Even if primary use is allowed on shabbos? I trust you more than me on this ;)

But the fact that it's disposable I assume would make a difference?
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2023, 01:47:23 PM »
time to rename this thread

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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2023, 01:48:04 PM »
Even if primary use is allowed on shabbos? I trust you more than me on this ;)

But the fact that it's disposable I assume would make a difference?

Rav Moshe considered blank paper to be muktza machmas chisaron kis, but that was a big chidush even then (and even he may agree nowadays)
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2023, 01:49:57 PM »
time to rename this thread
Only takes one person to post something they did for the first time to get it back on topic.

But I suggest not posting what you did on shabbos :))
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2023, 01:53:53 PM »
Rav Moshe considered blank paper to be muktza machmas chisaron kis, but that was a big chidush even then (and even he may agree nowadays)
Wait, what? Why?
I don't think I've ever paid for blank paper. Though my FAR stash is getting lower now that I have more kids taking from it for doodling.
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2023, 02:02:17 PM »
Wait, what? Why?
I don't think I've ever paid for blank paper. Though my FAR stash is getting lower now that I have more kids taking from it for doodling.

https://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Muktzeh_Machmat_Chisaron_Kis#cite_note-24
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2023, 02:06:57 PM »
Only takes one person to post something they did for the first time to get it back on topic.
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2023, 02:10:16 PM »
Same logic is toiveling mentioned above. It was tossed after one use as is the norm for these wrapped hospital surgical blades.
Pretty sure that doesn’t help for toiveling

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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2023, 02:12:28 PM »
Even if primary use is allowed on shabbos? I trust you more than me on this ;)
Circumcision is allowed on shabbos yet an איזמל של מילה is muktza

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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2023, 02:25:04 PM »
Pretty sure that doesn’t help for toiveling
Machlokes if disposables require tevila.
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2023, 02:26:35 PM »
Pretty sure that doesn’t help for toiveling
Not the case. It doesn't help if it's an object that isn't meant to be tossed. Like you can't use a steak knife one time and then toivel it.

But tinfoil pans for example has a machlokes if it needs to be toiveled or not. Most fwiu hold it doesn't need to be toiveled.
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2023, 03:07:00 PM »
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2023, 03:20:03 PM »
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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2023, 03:25:19 PM »
Why are CV and jfish posting so off topic? Why don't you find a thread about it, like the thread to post what you did for the first time?  :P

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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2023, 03:43:24 PM »
Why are we assuming that surgery is an issur on shabbos?

These only apply when the object is used for an isur during the week. AFAIK saving a life isn't muktza CMIIW.
To clear some things up:

A knife designed to complete a surgery is malachto lissur, regardless if the specific surgery you are carrying it around for is going to be mutar, because pikuach Nefesh  doche Shabbos. Malachto lissur is muttar ltzorech gufoi and mekoimoi anyways.  Now you have a question if it is considered muktza machmas chasaron kis or not, which is much more strict. Since it's easily replaceable and is used that way, it shouldn't be.

As an aside, if it was considered malachto l'heter according to the Rav it would never fall under the category of muktza machmas chasaron kis (that category doesn't exist), while the MB maintains that it does.

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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2023, 03:48:20 PM »
Circumcision is allowed on shabbos yet an איזמל של מילה is muktza
Whoa. Hold on there. It's a huuuuge Machlokes.

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Re: Today I Did...Things You Just Did For The First Time
« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2023, 03:52:45 PM »
Only takes one person to post something they did for the first time to get it back on topic.
Wrong again!  :P
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