How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)

[aygart]

I did not say all hechsherim. And yes I am in manufacturing though not food.

You wrote it as a generality when in reality it is the exception not the rule and those who do that have a reputation that they earned.

Manufacturing random items can be quite different.

[ya]

You wrote it as a generality when in reality it is the exception not the rule and those who do that have a reputation that they earned.

Manufacturing random items can be quite different.

who ever is saying Kayco/gefen etc are much smaller and can not compete with the larger non Jewish stores it's not fully true. They do not only sell to the Jewish market. How do they compete there? They are big in the prison and food service in general.

[aygart]

who ever is saying Kayco/gefen etc are much smaller and can not compete with the larger non Jewish stores it's not fully true. They do not only sell to the Jewish market. How do they compete there? They are big in the prison and food service in general.

Is this supposed to have something to do with what I wrote?

[ya]

Is this supposed to have something to do with what I wrote?

no

[EliJelly]

Why do you think budgeting is an issue specifically for frum families any more than any other community?

I take issue with lack of logic in our community in this particular area, they're the gold standard for family life, civility, morality and what not, so it does irks me that we fall behind in that aspect. It's not just with grocery shopping. It's spending on simchas, weddings, brand names, *country* and the like.

I do believe that we have a bigger issue than other communities. The driving reason for that is the tight knit communities we live in so it's monkey see monkey do. Communities in the Bronx aren't copying trends from Palm Beach, but in our circles we live door to door. If cured fish and jerky is the new trend by kiddushim then slowly but surly you'll see it all over. While many aren't falling for the luxuries of others, the majority do feel they need the same comfortable "necessities" the others have.

and here comes Dan's favorite thread

[moko]

who ever is saying Kayco/gefen etc are much smaller and can not compete with the larger non Jewish stores it's not fully true. They do not only sell to the Jewish market. How do they compete there? They are big in the prison and food service in general.

kayco is quite the monopoly/mafia. Not sure too many disagree. Firsthand experience
But conflating other items which no one's making serious coin on doesn't help

[jj1000]

I do believe that we have a bigger issue than other communities. The driving reason for that is the tight knit communities we live in so it's monkey see monkey do. Communities in the Bronx aren't copying trends from Palm Beach, but in our circles we live door to door. If cured fish and jerky is the new trend by kiddushim then slowly but surly you'll see it all over. While many aren't falling for the luxuries of others, the majority do feel they need the same comfortable "necessities" the others have.

Keeping Up with the Joneses is not an original concept or specific to Jews at all.

[aygart]

Keeping Up with the Joneses is not an original concept or specific to Jews at all.

True, but in which non Jewish community do you have the many times multi-millionaire in the same social circle as the guy who can barely put food on the table?

[ya]

True, but in which non Jewish community do you have the many times multi-millionaire in the same social circle as the guy who can barely put food on the table?

and kids in the same class. Live on the same block....

[ya]

kayco is quite the monopoly/mafia. Not sure too many disagree. Firsthand experience
But conflating other items which no one's making serious coin on doesn't help

so what can be done about the mafia?

[Dan]

so what can be done about the mafia?

Same as what LCCs and generics do. Offer a product for less and let market forces figure it out.

[EliJelly]

Keeping Up with the Joneses is not an original concept or specific to Jews at all.

It's not that much to keep the image and stigma in tact, it's truly the lifestyle and comfortability people don't want to compromise. "Why should I shlep to Costco or KRM and not just send my daughter to make the grocery order at the corner grocery like everybody does". Now couple that with the classic Keeping up with Joneses too with brand names, simchas etc.

[Oiheivyisroel]

True, but in which non Jewish community do you have the many times multi-millionaire in the same social circle as the guy who can barely put food on the table?

That’s one of the specialties of our generation. The same person has both, נסיון העוני and נסיון העושר.

[ya]

Same as what LCCs and generics do. Offer a product for less and let market forces figure it out.

didn't we go thru this already? Kayco is a bully and a monopoly. If they tell a store if they promote/sell/discount a product they won't receive any product from kayco what would you do?

[ExGingi]

didn't we go thru this already? Kayco is a bully and a monopoly. If they tell a store if they promote/sell/discount a product they won't receive any product from kayco what would you do?

And they end up buying all their competitors.

[Alexsei]

And they end up buying all their competitors.

At what price?

[AsherO]

-1 that would be included in הוצאותיו

Hold up, even the aibershter doesn’t consider the CPI?

[cozmohoot]

in a monopoly you can not just do it yourself.

Yes for a sukkah or items like that. I am really not sure why it's not done. I purchased for myself and some friends this year a sukkah directly from China. They are exactly the same ones you buy in NY.

Have a link for an 8x16 sukkah?

[Dan]

Have a link for an 8x16 sukkah?

Yes, but Big Sukkah will break his legs if he does

[ExGingi]

At what price?

At a price the competitor feels they would rather sell and move on than continue to compete.