How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)

[ya]

So sell on KW by the case. Where are all the wineries stepping in to take advantage of not going through them?
I'm having a hard time believing that they're solely responsible for the kosher tax.

Have you spoken to any wineries or any wine stores? You should. I know you promote KFWE. But you would be shocked on what you hear about Royal. For wine your business model cant just be to sell to KW online. You need to be in all the stores. Wine store in Monsey told about me about 70% of his alcohol comes from Royal.

[aygart]

Another issue is hashgachas slapping on a label and brand charging double the price. When the hashgacha fully relied on the OU.

This is not the case for the reliable heimeshe hechsherim.

[moko]

Your point? so some pricing went up? Bottom line is Jewish stores are more expensive and for no reason.

my point? Your examples are bad which makes one wonder if you actually have a clue what's going on.
There's definitely price gouging on some items but not the ones you think

[JMHO]

Unfortunately with wine, it would 'pas nisht' to be satisfied with a sub $20 bottle. The bar has been set so high and many people believe that more expensive is 'better'. We want the label and the hock, not just the quality and price.

[dealmaster]

True. But overall it shouldn't be that much more. But it is.

how can you compare ShopRite’s purchasing power to local stores? also ShopRite can run (on some items) a lower margin as they have so much larger of a customer base. It is ridiculous to hold local stores to anywhere close to national chains, price wise.

[ya]

This is not the case for the reliable heimeshe hechsherim.

Could be. But i think most people look at the item. See its a Jewish brand with a heimeshe hechsher and just assumes its better. Is it not on the brands who add these and know they do nothing?

[ya]

how can you compare ShopRite’s purchasing power to local stores, also ShopRite can run (on some items) a lower margin as they have so much larger of a customer base? It is ridiculous to hold local stores to anywhere close to national chains, price wise.

OK and what about smaller non kosher chains? And per store they have a large base? Really? Walk into most large non Jewish supermarkets and they are empty compared to Jewish ones. As well customers walk out with a few items besides for Thanksgiving. We have Thanksgiving  every week plus all our Yom tovs and much larger families.

[aygart]

Could be. But i think most people look at the item. See its a Jewish brand with a heimeshe hechsher and just assumes its better. Is it not on the brands who add these and know they do nothing?

I would reply if I knew what you were saying

[ya]

I would reply if I knew what you were saying

You seem to always defend Jewish pricing. Are you in the industry?

Can you defend $35 a pound of Matza? What about a $1100 canvas Sukkah? ( which are purchased from China for about $130 including freight plus cost of schach - though this one is easy for everyone to import themselves. Not sure why its not done)

[moko]

You seem to always defend Jewish pricing. Are you in the industry?

Can you defend $35 a pound of Matza? What about a $1100 canvas Sukkah? ( which are purchased from China for about $130 including freight plus cost of schach - though this one is easy for everyone to import themselves. Not sure why its not done)

I can defend some of it but not all of it.
Can you defend $6.99 eggs? This is the way of the world. It's not a Jewish thing though they should know better
I paid $49/lb for PT Rosh . It's basically one matzah to the oven at a time. It's not simply quick but ensuring no shehiyos, which counter intuitively, actually slows them down
You need to compare apples to apples.
cs ShopRite milk cannot be compared to CY any brand because it's a specialty item.
Compare a specialty brand milk to CY milk and you'll find the numbers much closer

[Dan]

You seem to always defend Jewish pricing. Are you in the industry?

Can you defend $35 a pound of Matza? What about a $1100 canvas Sukkah? ( which are purchased from China for about $130 including freight plus cost of schach - though this one is easy for everyone to import themselves. Not sure why its not done)

BH we have freedom of enterprise in this country. If you're truly convinced the product is overpriced, find a way to establish a short position.

Or do it yourself if there's such an oppurtunity.

[aygart]

You seem to always defend Jewish pricing. Are you in the industry?

Can you defend $35 a pound of Matza? What about a $1100 canvas Sukkah? ( which are purchased from China for about $130 including freight plus cost of schach - though this one is easy for everyone to import themselves. Not sure why its not done)

The only relation I have is as a consumer. There are many here who know me and can verify that.

As soon as you mentioned the farce that the heimeshe hechsherim are just relying on the OU you lost all credibility and it shows that you are writing from bitterness and not anything real.

Do you have any knowledge at all about grocery distribution or manufacturing to know what something should cost?

[Alexsei]

The only relation I have is as a consumer. There are many here who know me and can verify that.

As soon as you mentioned the farce that the heimeshe hechsherim are just relying on the OU you lost all credibility and it shows that you are writing from bitterness and not anything real.

Do you have any knowledge at all about grocery distribution or manufacturing to know what something should cost?

Food is probably one of the biggest expenses in a (Jewish) home. Like I said his landlord is probably a bully too. It hurts

[aygart]

Food is probably one of the biggest expenses in a (Jewish) home. Like I said his landlord is probably a bully too. It hurts

I get it and I pay it too. Making unreasonable demands won't help.

[Luvtotravel]

going back to the OP, are dairy restaurnts in BP/lakewood cheaper?

[dealmaster]

OK and what about smaller non kosher chains? And per store they have a large base? Really? Walk into most large non Jewish supermarkets and they are empty compared to Jewish ones. As well customers walk out with a few items besides for Thanksgiving. We have Thanksgiving  every week plus all our Yom tovs and much larger families.

what small chain has decent pricing? Also, do you complain that specialty doctors charge 300+ per 10 minute consultation? Or lawyers? Or any specialized service? Kosher stores offer a specialized service and the proof is in the fact that all those complaining here haven’t opened their own.    I can totally sympathize with the fact that everything is so expensive, I am paying those prices too, but to dump on all these businesses owners while you don’t do anything is unacceptable (unless there is bullying by a monopoly, you can’t do that on your own unless you are the incumbent)

[ya]

The only relation I have is as a consumer. There are many here who know me and can verify that.

As soon as you mentioned the farce that the heimeshe hechsherim are just relying on the OU you lost all credibility and it shows that you are writing from bitterness and not anything real.

Do you have any knowledge at all about grocery distribution or manufacturing to know what something should cost?

I did not say all hechsherim. And yes I am in manufacturing though not food.

[dealmaster]

going back to the OP, are dairy restaurnts in BP/lakewood cheaper?

talking about the original question, and the direction the forum went- I think there is a tremendous difference between restaurants and grocery stores, restaurants as a rule(I know there are exceptions) are a convenience, if it is too expensive don’t go(personally I can b”h afford to eat out but generally don’t because of my Hashkafic upbringing, and I am just fine) grocery stores are a necessity and therefore the problem of high prices is much more severe, but as stated above-don’t sit and complain, if there was a way to lower the prices why don’t you just do it?

[ya]

Or do it yourself if there's such an oppurtunity.

in a monopoly you can not just do it yourself.

Yes for a sukkah or items like that. I am really not sure why it's not done. I purchased for myself and some friends this year a sukkah directly from China. They are exactly the same ones you buy in NY.

[EliJelly]

How come Ungers pricing is almost always identical to Gefen/Glicks/Haddar?

On the few canned items that I checked I found Unger's to be about 25% cheaper. Now I wonder how many frum consumers are aware.