Author Topic: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)  (Read 26073 times)

Offline moko

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 4705
  • Total likes: 1567
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: BOS
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #260 on: February 19, 2023, 09:43:54 AM »
And how does holyland differ?
my understanding is that he's referring to this video as "machine" which I believe holy land is produced at such a bakery.  Though I'm not positive
My bad. I posted the wrong video
https://youtu.be/NUYDLUT6gBg
And how does holyland differ?

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18447
  • Total likes: 14626
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #261 on: February 19, 2023, 10:54:36 AM »


my understanding is that he's referring to this video as "machine" which I believe holy land is produced at such a bakery.  Though I'm not positive


Not as machine but rather

more similar to the original machine matzo.

This is my understanding and I presume it goes for these too

Moishas and Bingo will have cheaper

Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline jj1000

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: Jun 2008
  • Posts: 13723
  • Total likes: 6266
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 29367
    • View Profile
  • Location: The value of a forum such as this one is not in that one can post a question and receive an answer, but in that the question has most likely been asked before, and the answer is available to him that will but only use the search function.
  • Programs: 1. Search on google. 2. Search in the right board of DDF with a general word or two. 3. Read the wiki. 4. Read the thread. 5. Ask away.
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #262 on: February 19, 2023, 10:58:40 AM »
my understanding is that he's referring to this video as "machine" which I believe holy land is produced at such a bakery.  Though I'm not positive
My bad. I posted the wrong video
https://youtu.be/NUYDLUT6gBg
Ineresting!

Is that any less mehudar?

So of course matza that takes 2 minutes will cost less than a 12+ minutes matza and clearly the quality is far apart.
See my 5 step program to your left <--

(Real signature under my location)

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18447
  • Total likes: 14626
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #263 on: February 19, 2023, 11:17:07 AM »
Ineresting!

Is that any less mehudar?

So of course matza that takes 2 minutes will cost less than a 12+ minutes matza and clearly the quality is far apart.
At first glance it looks like some airways of the discussion from the 1800s should apply here. It is not a sugya that I went into in depth though.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline Ver hut gazugt

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2021
  • Posts: 601
  • Total likes: 611
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: New york
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #264 on: February 19, 2023, 03:40:38 PM »
Ineresting!

Is that any less mehudar?

So of course matza that takes 2 minutes will cost less than a 12+ minutes matza and clearly the quality is far apart.
afaik, the rebbe rashab spoke out against “machine” matza. machines in those days where not run with electricity, As @aygart alluded to.

Offline EliJelly

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jan 2019
  • Posts: 3167
  • Total likes: 3593
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #265 on: February 19, 2023, 03:49:01 PM »
afaik, the rebbe rashab spoke out against “machine” matza. machines in those days where not run with electricity, As @aygart alluded to.

It was invented well before the times of the Rashab. The Sanzer Rov's famous Tshuvos to Aser it was in 1858 already.

https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=143#p=16&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr=

Offline S209

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jun 2016
  • Posts: 7549
  • Total likes: 3976
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
    • Gowns By Shevy
  • Location: Lakewood
  • Programs: Marriott Gold, Star Alliance Gold, Hyatt Explorist, Hertz PC, National EE, Rock Royalty Wild Card, Wyndham Diamond, MLife Gold, Caesars Diamond, Hilton Diamond, Uber VIP, IHG Platinum Elite, ANA Platinum, DDF Lifetime Prez Platinum Elite, AmEx Platinum
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #266 on: February 19, 2023, 03:52:17 PM »
Dan and JJ don't need me to defend them, but in regard to their disclosure about advertisements and sponsored posts/products, I'll repost this:
And exactly who pays for your salad? Where’s the disclosure? This whole lack of transparency is troubling.
Quote from: YitzyS
Quotes in a signature is annoying, as it comes across as an independent post.

Offline Yehuda57

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jan 2014
  • Posts: 5229
  • Total likes: 14906
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 6
    • View Profile
    • Squilled
  • Location: Brooklyn
  • Programs: Official Dansdeals salad correspondent
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #267 on: February 19, 2023, 03:56:27 PM »
And exactly who pays for your salad? Where’s the disclosure? This whole lack of transparency is troubling.

I think you'll find my position as salad correspondent revolves around me not having eaten a/the salad


Offline gozalim

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Oct 2008
  • Posts: 4308
  • Total likes: 821
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #268 on: February 19, 2023, 06:00:58 PM »
I'm not sure what in that video is being considered machine.
IINM most of the hand bakeries do very similar
(Kfar Chabad uses those poles IINM, CH does not, FWIW)

IINM the dispute was over a rolling machine which had a *pair* of rollers which dough went between

Offline jj1000

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: Jun 2008
  • Posts: 13723
  • Total likes: 6266
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 29367
    • View Profile
  • Location: The value of a forum such as this one is not in that one can post a question and receive an answer, but in that the question has most likely been asked before, and the answer is available to him that will but only use the search function.
  • Programs: 1. Search on google. 2. Search in the right board of DDF with a general word or two. 3. Read the wiki. 4. Read the thread. 5. Ask away.
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #269 on: February 19, 2023, 06:04:57 PM »
I'm not sure what in that video is being considered machine.
IINM most of the hand bakeries do very similar
(Kfar Chabad uses those poles IINM, CH does not, FWIW)

IINM the dispute was over a rolling machine which had a *pair* of rollers which dough went between
Poles?

It's the machines that compact it, that's the problem I assume.
See my 5 step program to your left <--

(Real signature under my location)

Offline jj1000

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: Jun 2008
  • Posts: 13723
  • Total likes: 6266
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 29367
    • View Profile
  • Location: The value of a forum such as this one is not in that one can post a question and receive an answer, but in that the question has most likely been asked before, and the answer is available to him that will but only use the search function.
  • Programs: 1. Search on google. 2. Search in the right board of DDF with a general word or two. 3. Read the wiki. 4. Read the thread. 5. Ask away.
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #270 on: February 19, 2023, 06:07:05 PM »
I'm not sure what in that video is being considered machine.
IINM most of the hand bakeries do very similar
(Kfar Chabad uses those poles IINM, CH does not, FWIW)

IINM the dispute was over a rolling machine which had a *pair* of rollers which dough went between
Kfar chabad uses this?



See my 5 step program to your left <--

(Real signature under my location)

Offline avromie7

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Feb 2014
  • Posts: 8302
  • Total likes: 2745
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 6
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #271 on: February 19, 2023, 06:14:03 PM »
It's confusing because he posted 2 videos. The first video is Lakewood Matzah Bakery, I think everyone considers that hand Matzah. The second video is the one that is questionable if it can be called hand Matzah.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

Offline jj1000

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: Jun 2008
  • Posts: 13723
  • Total likes: 6266
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 29367
    • View Profile
  • Location: The value of a forum such as this one is not in that one can post a question and receive an answer, but in that the question has most likely been asked before, and the answer is available to him that will but only use the search function.
  • Programs: 1. Search on google. 2. Search in the right board of DDF with a general word or two. 3. Read the wiki. 4. Read the thread. 5. Ask away.
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #272 on: February 19, 2023, 06:30:17 PM »
It's confusing because he posted 2 videos. The first video is Lakewood Matzah Bakery, I think everyone considers that hand Matzah. The second video is the one that is questionable if it can be called hand Matzah.
Agreed. I also am not clear if holyland for sure does use those machines. And what hashgacha are they.
See my 5 step program to your left <--

(Real signature under my location)

Offline Essen est zich

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2017
  • Posts: 2134
  • Total likes: 728
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 31
    • View Profile
  • Programs: Nichoach Vol 2
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #273 on: February 19, 2023, 07:54:30 PM »
Agreed. I also am not clear if holyland for sure does use those machines. And what hashgacha are they.
I think nsk
Shloffen Shloft Zich

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18447
  • Total likes: 14626
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline Essen est zich

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2017
  • Posts: 2134
  • Total likes: 728
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 31
    • View Profile
  • Programs: Nichoach Vol 2
Shloffen Shloft Zich

Offline YitzyS

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jan 2015
  • Posts: 5687
  • Total likes: 13850
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 34
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood, NJ
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #276 on: February 19, 2023, 08:12:58 PM »
my understanding is that he's referring to this video as "machine" which I believe holy land is produced at such a bakery.  Though I'm not positive
My bad. I posted the wrong video
https://youtu.be/NUYDLUT6gBg
Did it bother anyone else that the video title touts it as being matzos that were made from start to finish in 2 minutes, which is the approximate length of the video, but the videographer skips ahead in the assembly line as he videos so the matzos you see at the end were from an earlier batch than the ones at the beginning?

Offline avromie7

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Feb 2014
  • Posts: 8302
  • Total likes: 2745
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 6
    • View Profile
  • Location: Lakewood
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #277 on: February 19, 2023, 09:19:43 PM »
https://www.amazon.com/Holyland-Handmade-Shmura-Matzo-1-pounds/dp/B004DN7HJ2

Could be a old box...
You can see both OU and NSK on the costco box. It has the old NSK symbol.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

Offline Essen est zich

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2017
  • Posts: 2134
  • Total likes: 728
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 31
    • View Profile
  • Programs: Nichoach Vol 2
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #278 on: February 19, 2023, 10:27:12 PM »
I think nsk
I was told they have a "high standard" but not exactly sure what that means. If I find out more, I'll share.

Edit. I was informed that they use metal rolling pins and not wooden ones.

Edit 2. Apparently it's standards are higher than whatever Ukrainian matzah (tiferet) was.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2023, 10:42:34 PM by Essen est zich »
Shloffen Shloft Zich

Offline Eliyohu

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Oct 2015
  • Posts: 1024
  • Total likes: 83
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
Re: How can Monsey restaurants justify their prices? (specifically milchig ones)
« Reply #279 on: February 19, 2023, 11:08:23 PM »
Agreed. I also am not clear if holyland for sure does use those machines. And what hashgacha are they.
I believe the video above is from birchas hapesach in sderot which is definitely questionable if it's considered hand matzah.
I'm not familiar with holy land matza but it may be a different bakery with different methods

https://youtu.be/GrXezQP2fRI

Eta based on the picture on the box they don't look at all similar to the unique look that birchas hapesach look like