Author Topic: How to thank Hashem? (Read 4246 times)

Definitions · « **Reply #40 on:** February 17, 2023, 11:02:41 AM »

Quote from: WayBackMachine on February 16, 2023, 10:18:10 PM

next question, how to thank hashem

It's natural. Let it flow

jj1000 · « **Reply #41 on:** February 17, 2023, 11:45:10 AM »

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 10:59:56 AM

...but it isn't. The first question is based on a false premise.

What part is false?

CountValentine · « **Reply #42 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:00:06 PM »

Quote from: jj1000 on February 17, 2023, 11:45:10 AM

What part is false?

Did we come to this world or were we put here?
I don't recall having a choice.

jj1000 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:02:57 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 12:00:06 PM

Did we come to this world or were we put here?
I don't recall having a choice.

Silly semantics. IMHO.

CountValentine · « **Reply #44 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:06:04 PM »

Quote from: jj1000 on February 17, 2023, 12:02:57 PM

Silly semantics. IMHO.

You jump on me for choice of words, but he gets a pass? I would ask ... wait I am not going to go there.

jj1000 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:07:56 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 12:06:04 PM

You jump on me for choice of words

Which time are you referring to?

I'm just letting you know, you are going to deep into his words. He is just talking about what I said, what is our purpose in life why are we here etc.

CountValentine · « **Reply #46 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:12:37 PM »

Quote from: jj1000 on February 17, 2023, 12:07:56 PM

Which time are you referring to?

So even you know there are so many times you did it you want a specific one?

Quote from: jj1000 on February 17, 2023, 12:07:56 PM

He is just talking about what I said, what is our purpose in life why are we here etc.

To live our lives as humanly possible the way our creator intended us to.

jj1000 · « **Reply #47 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:15:24 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 12:12:37 PM

So even you know there are so many times you did it you want a specific one?

I just assume you had one in mind. And if you did I can try to see if it was different.

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 12:12:37 PM

To lives our lives as human possible the way our creator intended us to.

Perhaps

CountValentine · « **Reply #48 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:17:58 PM »

Quote from: jj1000 on February 17, 2023, 12:15:24 PM

And if you did I can try to see if it was different.Perhaps

There is no trying involved. You will find a difference. I wonder why...

Quote from: jj1000 on February 17, 2023, 12:15:24 PM

Perhaps

How about this question then: Do you know how you will be judged?

jj1000 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:20:29 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 12:17:58 PM

There is no trying involved. You will find a difference. I wonder why...

Because you know I'm a smart guy

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 12:17:58 PM

How about this question then: Do you know how you will be judged?

How I will be judged meaning based on what, or if I go to heaven or hell, or?

CountValentine · « **Reply #50 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:23:05 PM »

Quote from: jj1000 on February 17, 2023, 12:20:29 PM

Because you know I'm a smart guy
How I will be judged meaning based on what,

Yes. Do you know the criteria your creator will use to judge you? To ask it another way, does your religion spell it out?

jj1000 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:28:39 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 12:23:05 PM

Yes. Do you know the criteria your creator will use to judge you? To ask it another way, does your religion spell it out?

In general based on the teachings of the Torah and how you followed them. Everything is weighed on a scale and then judgment passed.

There is a great story:

"A classic story tells about the great Reb Zusha, who was found agitated and upset as he lay on deathbed. His students asked, "Rebbe, why are you so sad? After all the great things you have accomplished, your place in heaven is assured!" "I'm afraid!" Zusha replied, "Because when I get to heaven, God won't ask me 'Why weren't you more like Moses?' or 'Why weren't you more like King David?' God will ask 'Zusha, why weren't you more like Zusha?' And then what will I say!?""

Basically showing us we need to be our best selves.

CountValentine · « **Reply #52 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:41:01 PM »

Quote from: jj1000 on February 17, 2023, 12:28:39 PM

There is a great story:

"A classic story tells about the great Reb Zusha, who was found agitated and upset as he lay on deathbed. His students asked, "Rebbe, why are you so sad? After all the great things you have accomplished, your place in heaven is assured!" "I'm afraid!" Zusha replied, "Because when I get to heaven, God won't ask me 'Why weren't you more like Moses?' or 'Why weren't you more like King David?' God will ask 'Zusha, why weren't you more like Zusha?' And then what will I say!?""

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 12:12:37 PM

To live our lives as humanly possible the way our creator intended us to.

imayid2 · « **Reply #53 on:** February 17, 2023, 12:50:07 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 12:23:05 PM

Yes. Do you know the criteria your creator will use to judge you? To ask it another way, does your religion spell it out?

Yes. He gave us an instruction manual called the Torah.

CountValentine · « **Reply #54 on:** February 17, 2023, 01:17:41 PM »

Quote from: imayid2 on February 17, 2023, 12:50:07 PM

Yes. He gave us an instruction manual called the Torah.

I wasn't aware the Torah spelled it out, glad I asked.
Is there an English translation where I can read the criteria on the judgement?

Quick clarification. What do you mean when you say Torah? The oral Torah given to Moses?

aygart · « **Reply #55 on:** February 17, 2023, 01:27:56 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 12:12:37 PM

To live our lives as humanly possible the way our creator intended us to.

In Judaism the reason is to become close to Hashem.

CountValentine · « **Reply #56 on:** February 17, 2023, 01:29:32 PM »

Quote from: aygart on February 17, 2023, 01:27:56 PM

In Judaism the reason is to become close to Hashem.

Are they the same?

aygart · « **Reply #57 on:** February 17, 2023, 01:38:20 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 01:29:32 PM

Are they the same?

no

imayid2 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 17, 2023, 01:38:59 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on February 17, 2023, 01:17:41 PM

Quick clarification. What do you mean when you say Torah? The oral Torah given to Moses?

The written and oral. Individual judgment isn’t explicitly spelled out it the written Torah, but it’s clear in the oral Torah that the criteria is the law of the written and oral Torah.

CountValentine · « **Reply #59 on:** February 17, 2023, 01:44:48 PM »

Quote from: imayid2 on February 17, 2023, 01:38:59 PM

The written and oral. Individual judgment isn’t explicitly spelled out it the written Torah, but it’s clear in the oral Torah that the criteria is the law of the written Torah.

Basically how the bible for Catholics work.
Moses was told by G-d. He then told someone who told someone, on and on until someone wrote it down. That was then written down over and over again. At some point years later, we actually have a copy of what was told to Moses on paper.

Is that the same for the oral Torah?