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Does gender affirming care breach the doctrine of do no harm?

Yes
20 (87%)
No
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Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« on: February 26, 2023, 09:01:41 AM »
36% of 177 over three years. That seems rare to me.
How many trans/non-binary kids we talking about? 100k, 500k, 1mm, more or less?
In terms of surgery numbers, there are no wide-spread statistics. However, this is the stats of one hospital only.
In terms of official prevalence in the wide-scale population, the DSM-5 says: For natal adult males, prevalence ranges from 0.005% to 0.014%, and for natal females,
from 0.002% to 0.003%.  Since not all adults seeking hormone treatment and surgical reassignment attend specialty clinics, these rates are likely modest underestimates.
In children, sex ratios of
natal boys to girls range from 2:1 to 4.5:1. In adolescents, the sex ratio is close to parity; in adults, the sex ratio favors natal males, with ratios ranging from 1:1 to 6.1:1. In two countries, the sex ratio appears to favor natal females (Japan: 2.2:1; Poland: 3.4:1)

So, according to the statistics, we should be talking about a practically non-existent minority.
There are 26.2 Million children in the US. If we take the high-line estimate, (0.014% of born males, 0.003% of females) we should have about 4,454 kids with gender dysphoria in the whole country.
Looks like those numbers are off.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2023, 10:24:54 AM »
If you tell a child enough times he/she is a duck, donít be surprised when they start quacking.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2023, 10:55:16 AM »
If you tell a child enough times he/she is a duck, donít be surprised when they start quacking.
That is why we listen to the medical professions out there.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2023, 11:21:15 AM »
That is why we listen to the medical professions out there.

Who have the ability to turn them into a real duck and not letting them quack out of a human body forever.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2023, 02:18:41 PM »
That is why we listen to the medical professions out there.
"Science"

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2023, 03:10:26 PM »
Looks like those numbers are off.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/
Take it up with the American Psychiatry Association. The statistics are a copy-paste from their diagnostic manual, the DSM-5. If, suddenly, the numbers have been exploding exponentially, that would seem to indicate a social contagion aspect. Proponents of gender theory argue that the numbers were always there, but that kids didn't feel safe coming out in non-affirming environments. But, if we couple that with the studies showing a high prevalence of suicidality for trans youth, (which is the argument made to push radical surgeries "Cause otherwise the kids will die") Then we should have had a decrease in suicide and mental health problems congruent with the rise in trans- identifying youth. But it's not there.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2023, 06:45:29 PM »
Take it up with the American Psychiatry Association.
Didn't the link I posted quote actual known numbers and not estimates? Which means the actual number is higher.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2023, 08:34:14 PM »
Could you add a poll to this thread?

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2023, 10:07:44 PM »
Could you add a poll to this thread?
Options?
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2023, 10:25:21 PM »
Options?
I think that question should be addressed exactly as it's titled in the thread, with three options: Help, Hurt, Other (explain in post)

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2023, 10:30:07 PM »
Hurts

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2023, 10:31:18 PM »
I think that question should be addressed exactly as it's titled in the thread, with three options: Help, Hurt, Other (explain in post)
Done
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2023, 02:02:54 PM »
Could you add a poll to this thread?

What's the purpose of the poll?

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2023, 02:03:43 PM »
What's the purpose of the poll?
To see how many are ill-informed.  ;)
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2023, 02:05:48 PM »
To see how many are ill-informed.  ;)
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2023, 02:35:10 PM »
Other.
Helpful for some, perhaps not for all.

Does anyone here know a transgender person IRL?

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2023, 02:48:46 PM »
Other.
Helpful for some, perhaps not for all.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2023, 04:00:02 PM »
If your 6 year old son wants to play dressup in a princess dress, would you:
A. Chalk it up to kids being silly.
B. Tell him that boys shouldn't wear dresses.
C. Talk to him about transgender concepts.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2023, 04:02:47 PM »

Did you see the response to that question? It was from someone ill-informed. I hope by now he educated himself.  :)
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