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Does gender affirming care breach the doctrine of do no harm?

Yes
31 (88.6%)
No
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #200 on: March 08, 2023, 04:46:08 PM »
Correct, it's actually very clear in the Mishna the various dinim of the surviving mother and subsequent born infant. Somehow it was forgotten and surviving mother is of no mention in the later Poskim as being performed in their times - according to a big talmid chacham I listened too. Modern Historians posit the first case of surviving mother to be in the 1500's, although they mention the Talmudic indications that it was done in Roman era. In any case this wasn't a continuous procedure throughout history.

The Chazon Ish actually points to many medical complicated procedures which were forgotten over the years, as a sign that later generations were not intrinsically more advanced than earlier generations.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/A4007266513AAFD596E3F1BC8749F9C7/S0025727300026089a.pdf/the-antiquity-of-caesarean-section-with-maternal-survival-the-jewish-tradition.pdf
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #202 on: March 10, 2023, 10:21:29 AM »
Yet another country hits the brakes on its GAC policies.

https://twitter.com/segm_ebm/status/1634032333618819073


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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #203 on: March 12, 2023, 05:46:40 PM »
Question:what is the oldest continuously performed/practiced medical procedure/surgery ?
I was referring to cuicumcision

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #208 on: March 16, 2023, 11:42:45 AM »
There is a lot of discussion about how common these treatments are.

Here is the data on children ages 6-17 from 2017-2021, based on insurance claims -

www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

Genital surgery in children is rare but does happen, with 56 cases over the 5 years they reviewed.


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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #209 on: March 16, 2023, 11:55:46 AM »


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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #212 on: March 31, 2023, 06:17:26 PM »
This is great. No need for treatments. Just walk up, self identify, and compete.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/male-powerlifter-enters-womens-event-breaks-record/

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #213 on: March 31, 2023, 06:32:06 PM »
I don't understand the sports issue tbh. I thought the point of separate categories is for fair competition with others of similar physical ability. Gender shouldn't have anything to do with it.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #214 on: March 31, 2023, 06:54:07 PM »
I don't understand the sports issue tbh. I thought the point of separate categories is for fair competition with others of similar physical ability. Gender shouldn't have anything to do with it.
Do you mean biological gender or gender identity?
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #215 on: March 31, 2023, 11:15:12 PM »
Do you mean biological gender or gender identity?

I meant the gender identity. but even biological sex shouldn't really matter, there can just be divisions based on metrics and ability: weight, height, muscle composition, etc. depending on the sport.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #216 on: April 01, 2023, 09:06:24 PM »
I meant the gender identity. but even biological sex shouldn't really matter, there can just be divisions based on metrics and ability: weight, height, muscle composition, etc. depending on the sport.
How will they be able to complete after you do an autopsy on them?
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #217 on: April 01, 2023, 09:32:42 PM »
I meant the gender identity. but even biological sex shouldn't really matter, there can just be divisions based on metrics and ability: weight, height, muscle composition, etc. depending on the sport.

Do you follow any sports?

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #218 on: April 01, 2023, 10:19:39 PM »
Do you follow any sports?
Be nice.  :)
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #219 on: April 01, 2023, 10:47:36 PM »