Author Topic: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children? (Read 41639 times)

aygart · « **Reply #200 on:** March 08, 2023, 04:46:08 PM »

Quote from: EliJelly on March 08, 2023, 04:27:21 PM

Correct, it's actually very clear in the Mishna the various dinim of the surviving mother and subsequent born infant. Somehow it was forgotten and surviving mother is of no mention in the later Poskim as being performed in their times - according to a big talmid chacham I listened too. Modern Historians posit the first case of surviving mother to be in the 1500's, although they mention the Talmudic indications that it was done in Roman era. In any case this wasn't a continuous procedure throughout history.

The Chazon Ish actually points to many medical complicated procedures which were forgotten over the years, as a sign that later generations were not intrinsically more advanced than earlier generations.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/A4007266513AAFD596E3F1BC8749F9C7/S0025727300026089a.pdf/the-antiquity-of-caesarean-section-with-maternal-survival-the-jewish-tradition.pdf

EliJelly · « **Reply #201 on:** March 08, 2023, 04:48:19 PM »

Quote from: aygart on March 08, 2023, 04:46:08 PM

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/A4007266513AAFD596E3F1BC8749F9C7/S0025727300026089a.pdf/the-antiquity-of-caesarean-section-with-maternal-survival-the-jewish-tradition.pdf

This is actually the source linked to in wiki I linked.

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #202 on:** March 10, 2023, 10:21:29 AM »

Yet another country hits the brakes on its GAC policies.

https://twitter.com/segm_ebm/status/1634032333618819073

gozalim · « **Reply #203 on:** March 12, 2023, 05:46:40 PM »

Quote from: gozalim on March 08, 2023, 02:52:21 PM

Question:what is the oldest continuously performed/practiced medical procedure/surgery ?

I was referring to cuicumcision

imayid2 · « **Reply #204 on:** March 12, 2023, 08:07:53 PM »

https://thelakewoodscoop.com/news/an-open-letter-to-the-honorable-nj-congressman-chris-smith

aygart · « **Reply #205 on:** March 12, 2023, 08:18:39 PM »

Quote from: imayid2 on March 12, 2023, 08:07:53 PM

https://thelakewoodscoop.com/news/an-open-letter-to-the-honorable-nj-congressman-chris-smith

Why to him of all people?

imayid2 · « **Reply #206 on:** March 12, 2023, 08:21:41 PM »

Quote from: aygart on March 12, 2023, 08:18:39 PM

Why to him of all people?

https://thelakewoodscoop.com/news/an-open-letter-to-the-honorable-nj-congressman-chris-smith/#comment-930812

neveryou · « **Reply #207 on:** March 14, 2023, 12:43:59 PM »

https://twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1635326853555830786?t=sontob3wEiv5Yf-BNQx4kw&s=19

zh cohen · « **Reply #208 on:** March 16, 2023, 11:42:45 AM »

There is a lot of discussion about how common these treatments are.

Here is the data on children ages 6-17 from 2017-2021, based on insurance claims -

www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

Genital surgery in children is rare but does happen, with 56 cases over the 5 years they reviewed.

Essen est zich · « **Reply #209 on:** March 16, 2023, 11:55:46 AM »

aygart · « **Reply #210 on:** March 17, 2023, 12:37:26 AM »

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-rachel-levine-changing-kids-genders-soon-fully-embraced-wheels-turn

imayid2 · « **Reply #211 on:** March 19, 2023, 10:57:40 PM »

https://dailycaller.com/2023/03/12/horrifying-huge-proportion-of-children-pursuing-gender-transitions-are-actually-autistic-experts-believe/

jye · « **Reply #212 on:** March 31, 2023, 06:17:26 PM »

This is great. No need for treatments. Just walk up, self identify, and compete.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/male-powerlifter-enters-womens-event-breaks-record/

Welder · « **Reply #213 on:** March 31, 2023, 06:32:06 PM »

I don't understand the sports issue tbh. I thought the point of separate categories is for fair competition with others of similar physical ability. Gender shouldn't have anything to do with it.

aygart · « **Reply #214 on:** March 31, 2023, 06:54:07 PM »

Quote from: Welder on March 31, 2023, 06:32:06 PM

I don't understand the sports issue tbh. I thought the point of separate categories is for fair competition with others of similar physical ability. Gender shouldn't have anything to do with it.

Do you mean biological gender or gender identity?

Welder · « **Reply #215 on:** March 31, 2023, 11:15:12 PM »

Quote from: aygart on March 31, 2023, 06:54:07 PM

Do you mean biological gender or gender identity?

I meant the gender identity. but even biological sex shouldn't really matter, there can just be divisions based on metrics and ability: weight, height, muscle composition, etc. depending on the sport.

aygart · « **Reply #216 on:** April 01, 2023, 09:06:24 PM »

Quote from: Welder on March 31, 2023, 11:15:12 PM

I meant the gender identity. but even biological sex shouldn't really matter, there can just be divisions based on metrics and ability: weight, height, muscle composition, etc. depending on the sport.

How will they be able to complete after you do an autopsy on them?

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #217 on:** April 01, 2023, 09:32:42 PM »

Quote from: Welder on March 31, 2023, 11:15:12 PM

I meant the gender identity. but even biological sex shouldn't really matter, there can just be divisions based on metrics and ability: weight, height, muscle composition, etc. depending on the sport.

Do you follow any sports?

CountValentine · « **Reply #218 on:** April 01, 2023, 10:19:39 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on April 01, 2023, 09:32:42 PM

Do you follow any sports?

Be nice.

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #219 on:** April 01, 2023, 10:47:36 PM »

Quote from: CountValentine on April 01, 2023, 10:19:39 PM

Be nice.

I was asking genuinely!

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Does gender affirming care breach the doctrine of do no harm?

Author Topic: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children? (Read 41639 times)