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Does gender affirming care breach the doctrine of do no harm?

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #261 on: May 12, 2023, 04:06:50 AM »
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Please link one case where a 2nd grader was removed from the parents because they didn't agree to transition them. You can't just keep throwing stuff out there and hope it sticks.
Here's a headline I'd like @CV to chime in on:
Trans Minors Protected From Parents (From the AP, not Fox or any right wing media)
https://apnews.com/article/washington-transgender-health-care-minors-parents-296005ba7c084db94e241283067d2dff#:~:text=Photo%2FEd%20Komenda)-,OLYMPIA%2C%20Wash.,Inslee%20signed%20into%20law%20Tuesday.
Now, you will see online that this DOESN'T mean that parents will be kept unaware of their children's whereabouts, or that the state can kidnap your kid and trans them without your consent. Problem: It's in the bill:
https://legiscan.com/WA/text/SB5599/2023

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #262 on: May 12, 2023, 05:13:01 AM »
Parents must be informed whent heir missing child is found, UNLESS there's a compelling reason. This bill adds "Child seeking or recieving gender-affirming or reproductive healthcare" as a compelling reason.
The bill also authorizes the Department of Child Services to "Offer to make refferals on behalf of the minor for behavioral health services", and "Offer services designed to resolve the conflict".
A child may be placed in a "Host Home" which is a "Private home that volunteers to host youth in need of temporary placement." Placement in a Host Home requires parental or legal guardian consent, of course, unless there are.... Compelling reasons.
This pairs with:
https://legiscan.com/WA/text/HB1469/2023
This is an amendment of the criminal statues of Washington State to prevent parents from stopping their child recieving gender care without their consent.
All in all, a NASTY mix designed to take away the rights of parents

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #264 on: May 13, 2023, 11:51:38 PM »
ChatGPT:

Supporting an anorexic child and helping her starve is considered cruel for several reasons. It's important to note that anorexia is a severe mental health disorder characterized by an unhealthy obsession with body weight, extreme fear of gaining weight, and a distorted body image. Here's an argument against supporting anorexia:

1. Mental health perspective: Anorexia is a life-threatening condition that can lead to severe physical and psychological consequences, including organ damage, weakened immune system, depression, and even death. Supporting and enabling a child's starvation worsens their physical and mental health, perpetuating a dangerous cycle.

2. Ethical concerns: It is widely accepted in the medical and ethical communities that promoting harm or endorsing behaviors that negatively impact someone's well-being is ethically wrong. Supporting anorexia by encouraging starvation goes against the principles of promoting health, happiness, and overall well-being.

3. Long-term consequences: Anorexia has long-term effects that can persist even after recovery. By allowing a child to engage in harmful behaviors, such as extreme dieting or starvation, you are potentially setting them up for a lifetime of physical and psychological struggles. Supporting recovery, on the other hand, promotes the chance for a healthier and happier future.

In contrast, supporting a trans child's gender-affirming care is viewed as a compassionate and necessary approach. Here's an argument in favor of supporting a trans child:

1. Mental health and well-being: Gender dysphoria is a recognized medical condition in which an individual's gender identity does not align with the sex assigned at birth. Gender-affirming care, which may include social transition, counseling, hormone therapy, or, in some cases, gender-affirming surgeries, has been shown to alleviate gender dysphoria and improve mental health outcomes for trans individuals. By supporting a trans child's gender-affirming care, you are prioritizing their well-being and helping them lead a more authentic and fulfilling life.

2. Respect for identity: Supporting a trans child's gender identity is an affirmation of their self-identity and validates their feelings and experiences. It promotes a culture of inclusivity, acceptance, and respect for diverse identities. It allows the child to develop a positive self-image and reduces the risk of mental health issues associated with identity struggles.

3. Professional consensus: Major medical and psychological organizations, such as the American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, and World Professional Association for Transgender Health, support gender-affirming care for transgender individuals. These organizations recognize the importance of affirming a person's gender identity and providing appropriate care to ensure their well-being.

In conclusion, supporting a child with anorexia and encouraging starvation is widely considered cruel due to the severe health risks and ethical concerns involved. On the other hand, supporting a trans child's gender-affirming care is seen as a compassionate approach that promotes their mental health, respects their identity, and aligns with professional medical and psychological guidelines.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #265 on: May 14, 2023, 01:04:53 PM »
ChatGPT:

Supporting an anorexic child and helping her starve is considered cruel for several reasons. It's important to note that anorexia is a severe mental health disorder characterized by an unhealthy obsession with body weight, extreme fear of gaining weight, and a distorted body image. Here's an argument against supporting anorexia:

1. Mental health perspective: Anorexia is a life-threatening condition that can lead to severe physical and psychological consequences, including organ damage, weakened immune system, depression, and even death. Supporting and enabling a child's starvation worsens their physical and mental health, perpetuating a dangerous cycle.

2. Ethical concerns: It is widely accepted in the medical and ethical communities that promoting harm or endorsing behaviors that negatively impact someone's well-being is ethically wrong. Supporting anorexia by encouraging starvation goes against the principles of promoting health, happiness, and overall well-being.

3. Long-term consequences: Anorexia has long-term effects that can persist even after recovery. By allowing a child to engage in harmful behaviors, such as extreme dieting or starvation, you are potentially setting them up for a lifetime of physical and psychological struggles. Supporting recovery, on the other hand, promotes the chance for a healthier and happier future.

In contrast, supporting a trans child's gender-affirming care is viewed as a compassionate and necessary approach. Here's an argument in favor of supporting a trans child:

1. Mental health and well-being: Gender dysphoria is a recognized medical condition in which an individual's gender identity does not align with the sex assigned at birth. Gender-affirming care, which may include social transition, counseling, hormone therapy, or, in some cases, gender-affirming surgeries, has been shown to alleviate gender dysphoria and improve mental health outcomes for trans individuals. By supporting a trans child's gender-affirming care, you are prioritizing their well-being and helping them lead a more authentic and fulfilling life.

2. Respect for identity: Supporting a trans child's gender identity is an affirmation of their self-identity and validates their feelings and experiences. It promotes a culture of inclusivity, acceptance, and respect for diverse identities. It allows the child to develop a positive self-image and reduces the risk of mental health issues associated with identity struggles.

3. Professional consensus: Major medical and psychological organizations, such as the American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, and World Professional Association for Transgender Health, support gender-affirming care for transgender individuals. These organizations recognize the importance of affirming a person's gender identity and providing appropriate care to ensure their well-being.

In conclusion, supporting a child with anorexia and encouraging starvation is widely considered cruel due to the severe health risks and ethical concerns involved. On the other hand, supporting a trans child's gender-affirming care is seen as a compassionate approach that promotes their mental health, respects their identity, and aligns with professional medical and psychological guidelines.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #268 on: May 23, 2023, 05:32:57 AM »
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/371801

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Progressive censorship? Tel Aviv cancels launch of 'Irreversible Damage'
After left-wing protest, speech by author Abigail Shrier on what she defines as dangers of the transgender movement was cancelled.
Israel National News
  May 22, 2023, 10:53 PM (GMT+3)

A conference center in Tel Aviv has canceled the launch event of the Hebrew edition of "Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters," a book by author Abigail Shrier on the growth of transgenderism among teenaged girls and the sexual reassignment surgery industry.

Two months ago, the Shovrot Shivyon (Breaking the Equality) organization raised the full amount required to publish a Hebrew translation of the 2021 book in less than a day. The book was picked up by publishing house Sela Meir.

Sela Meir announced today (Monday) that an event which was to be held in Tel Aviv next week in which Shrier was to speak about her book was cancelled as a result of protests by activists who oppose the content of the book.

Shrier wrote on Twitter: "I'm in Israel to launch the Hebrew edition of IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE. The two largest book retailers ( > 70% of book sales) refuse to carry it-an unfortunate first for Israel. I'll speak in Tel Aviv on Sunday. We'll make this book launch bigger than the activists ever expected."

In her book, Shrier argues that many young girls come out as transgender as a result of social pressures and not because they are actually transgender, and that declaring oneself as transgender can have immediate social benefits but cause long-term physiological and psychological harm.

In particular, she cited data showing that there are thousands of girls and women who regret the gender reassignment surgeries they received and will now be forced to be dependent on hormonal treatment and additional surgeries for the rest of their lives.

Shovrot Shivyon chairwoman Naama Zarbiv said: "The pressure prove one thing, they are A-F-R-A-I-D. This stems from the fact that for the first time, there is a book that reveals the dangers and the whole truth behind gender reassignment surgeries. We will hold the conference and publish the book and we will not be deterred by anything. Because this is a real life saver."

"In Israel as well, more and more systems are encouraging children, especially girls, to access this destructive and irreversible process. Our job is to save the children and parents and all of us as a society," Zarbiv said.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #270 on: June 10, 2023, 12:51:33 AM »
A Florida judge granted a preliminary injunction against the state's ban on gender-affirming healthcare. The plaintiffs in the case are a group of parents of transgender children. In his ruling, the judge addressed many of the misconceptions and biases in the opposition to gender-affirming healthcare.

The judge found that the ban was likely unconstitutional and could cause irreparable harm to transgender youth. He also noted that the ban was based on outdated and inaccurate information about transgender healthcare.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flnd.460963/gov.uscourts.flnd.460963.90.0_1.pdf
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XIV. Conclusion
Gender identity is real. Those whose gender identity does not match their natal sex often suffer gender dysphoria. The widely accepted standard of care calls for evaluation and treatment by a multidisciplinary team. Proper treatment begins with mental-health therapy and is followed in appropriate cases by GnRH agonists and cross-sex hormones.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #271 on: June 13, 2023, 07:45:50 AM »
[qoute] XIV.  The widely accepted standard of care calls for evaluation and treatment by a multidisciplinary team. Proper treatment begins with mental-health therapy and is followed in appropriate cases by GnRH agonists and cross-sex hormones.
I'll juxtapose that recent news story with this one that gives a great look into the "Evaluation and treatment by a multidisciplinary team" where "Proper treatment begins with mental-health therapy and is followed in appropriate cases by GnRH agonists and cross-sex hormones."
https://www.dailywire.com/news/matt-walsh-undercover-investigation-catches-trans-health-care-providers-falsifying-patient-info-to-fast-track-sex-change-surgeries
https://timcast.com/news/matt-walshs-producer-gets-approved-for-testicle-removal-in-a-22-minute-video-call/

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #272 on: June 13, 2023, 10:21:04 PM »
I just read this entire thread. Let me just say, I really think this forum needs a dislike button.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #273 on: June 13, 2023, 10:28:02 PM »
I just read this entire thread. Let me just say, I really think this forum needs a dislike button.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #274 on: June 14, 2023, 09:16:38 AM »
I just read this entire thread. Let me just say, I really think this forum needs a dislike button.
While I understand the sentiment, IMHO a dislike button is like shaking a lady's hands (though maybe slightly less scary). R' Moshe (as far as I can recall) says it is basically either muttar lechatchila (at least in theory) or yehoreg v'al yaavor, depending on the daas of the male doing the shaking. A dislike is sometimes an issur deoraysa. Yeah, it may be important to dislike a statement to distance the tzibbur from the opinion being expressed, but who wants to risk it? Especially from the point of view of the moderator who is deciding whether or not to make the option available to everyone and therefore open to abuse.
Instead, it should be self-understood that opinions expressed may be way off what everyone else thinks, and dai l'mevinim.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #275 on: June 14, 2023, 10:29:33 AM »
Where is the abortion thread?
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #276 on: June 16, 2023, 04:20:24 AM »
California Assembly passes a bill categorizing non-affirmation as abuse by a parent for custody considerations
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240AB957

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #278 on: June 18, 2023, 04:43:38 AM »
The solution is to partner with Muslims. Apparently that gives us immunity regarding our opinions.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/372900
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Hundreds of parents, most of them Muslim, held a protest in front of city hall in Calgary, Alberta on Friday.

The protesters held signs reading “let kids be kids” and “school is not a place for political activism.”

According to The Counter Signal, chants of “Leave our kids alone,” garnered responses from dozens of passing cars whose drivers honked in support.

According to the report on The Counter Signal, LGBT activists decided to refrain from creating a counter protest because, "It would be disrespectful to Muslims to show opposition to the protest."

“Any counter protest to the action at city hall will likely be used as ammunition for this hate group to paint queer folks as racist,” a source told The Counter Signal, who explained that the activists consulted with “queer Muslims.”
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