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Does gender affirming care breach the doctrine of do no harm?

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2023, 09:45:11 PM »
doesnt need to be backed up, for goodness' sake if a vital limb, which is critical for purposeful use is chopped off, deeming the person incapable of performing necessary acts, that is mutilation.
Having a medically approved procedure to help someone is not referred to as mutilation. Many women with or without breast cancer would be offended by your comments.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2023, 09:52:40 PM »
Listening to the ill-informed one would think gender affirming care means mutilation.  ::)
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2023, 10:30:06 PM »
In some cultures, they mutilate a newborn male not for medical reasons but for some insane ritual. That is sickening.
Removing some excess skin which in no way infringes on the function of the organ isnít the same as the removal of various organs no matter how much you pretend it is.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2023, 10:35:05 PM »
Having a medically approved procedure to help someone is not referred to as mutilation. Many women with or without breast cancer would be offended by your comments.
That would depend if itís warranted. If itís unwarranted in a specific case and a doctor convinced someone itís necessary, would you agree itís ďmutilationĒ? If a woman is grossly misdiagnosed by an inept doctor who orders removal of said parts, is it wrong to refer to the procedure as mutilation?

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2023, 10:47:09 PM »
Removing some excess skin which in no way infringes on the function of the organ isnít the same as the removal of various organs no matter how much you pretend it is.
I am not pretending anything. Do a simple search and you will see articles calling it mutilation.
That would depend if itís warranted. If itís unwarranted in a specific case and a doctor convinced someone itís necessary, would you agree itís ďmutilationĒ? If a woman is grossly misdiagnosed by an inept doctor who orders removal of said parts, is it wrong to refer to the procedure as mutilation?
Gender affirming care is warranted, approved and helps in certain cases. This is back up by numerous articles already posted. These are from highly respect places like the Mayo clinic. Now tell me who is the one pretending?
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2023, 10:50:16 PM »
Gender affirming care is warranted, approved and helps in certain cases. This is back up by numerous articles already posted. These are from highly respect places like the Mayo clinic.
This is what the argument is about. Everything else is a distraction.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2023, 10:53:20 PM »
Listening to the ill-informed one would think gender affirming care means mutilation.  ::)
Ever since corona happened I trust the ill-informed over "the science".

Same idiots who screamed listen to the "science" for the past 3 years are pushing this garbage. That tells you all you need to know.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2023, 11:03:24 PM »
Listening to the ill-informed one would think gender affirming care means mutilation.  ::)

What does it mean? I don't know, because the little reading I have done it changes. Some say it's the equivalent of a girl wearing a push up bra, others include hormone treatment. Some say it includes surgery, and yet others go as far as the removal of organs.

We've had children's hospitals deny giving minors hysterectomies after publicizing that they do.

You can't have this discussion without defining the terms.

To their credit, the DeSantis administration did that to reporters. When reporters asked about "gender affirming care" they made the reporters get real specific about what kind of care they were asking about. It was quite instructive to see how hard they tried to avoid giving specifics and to hide behind the beautiful sounding "affirming care" euphemism. Like "natural organic lollipops", except, you know, irreversible surgeries.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2023, 11:07:30 PM »
This is what the argument is about. Everything else is a distraction.
Some of us have posted many links supporting that gender affirming care is warranted, approved and helps from respected places like the Mayo clinic. The response is this stupidity:
Ever since corona happened I trust the ill-informed over "the science".

Same idiots who screamed listen to the "science" for the past 3 years are pushing this garbage. That tells you all you need to know.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2023, 11:09:17 PM »
The response is this stupidity:

Stupidity is mutilating and castarating kids.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2023, 11:13:05 PM »
Stupidity is mutilating and castarating kids.
Then stop doing it to a newborn. What kind of sick individual would mutilate a newborn!!!  >:(
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2023, 11:15:00 PM »
What does it mean?
A quick google search returned: Gender-affirming care is medically necessary, evidence-based care that uses a multidisciplinary approach to help a person transition from their assigned gender Ė the one the person was designated at birth Ė to their affirmed gender Ė the gender by which one wants to be known.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2023, 11:18:43 PM »
Then stop doing it to a newborn. What kind of sick individual would mutilate a newborn!!!  >:(
Removing some excess skin which in no way infringes on the function of the organ isnít the same as the removal of various organs no matter how much you pretend it is.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2023, 11:23:45 PM »

The truth hurts, and I understand that. Claiming parents are mutilating their children by doing what the medical profession feels is warranted is wrong on so many levels.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2023, 11:24:10 PM »
A quick google search returned: Gender-affirming care is medically necessary, evidence-based care that uses a multidisciplinary approach to help a person transition from their assigned gender Ė the one the person was designated at birth Ė to their affirmed gender Ė the gender by which one wants to be known.
That says nothing about what they are doing only the goal they have in mind.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2023, 11:30:15 PM »
That says nothing about what they are doing only the goal they have in mind.
It is a multidisciplinary approach. It can be but limited to social affirmation, puberty blockers, hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries. Just within those 4 categories there are sub-categories.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2023, 11:35:07 PM »
I am in no way an advocate for gender-affirming care. You just can't ignore the mountain of medical information out there on this. This started about one thing about the bill and after reading article after article it became clear the whole bill was trash.
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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2023, 11:45:45 PM »
As was noted in past, comparing circumcision to vaginoplasty is effective equivalent of comparing ear piercing to ear removal. Without taking a side on whether gender change surgery is a choice a parent should be able to authorize for a minor, I do feel compelled to say this: C'mon, man.

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2023, 11:46:55 PM »
IN my opinion, the biggest problem is that children are being encouraged to discuss and decide their "real" gender at an age where they should be unaware of the ramifications.  Sxualizing children at a young age used to be considered abuse - why is it now being encouraged?

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Re: Gender affirming care, does it help or hurt children?
« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2023, 11:48:14 PM »
I do feel compelled to say this: C'mon, man.

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