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Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« on: March 16, 2023, 08:15:03 PM »
Does anyone know details of this org (zichron yosef- under ohr shloime?) or zichron shlomo refuah fund? Do they take the money that the kids collect and buy the prizes for 40% of the tzedakah money? Plus office costs... Do they have haskamos?

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2023, 08:55:12 PM »
Such information is public record for many non-profits and their IRS form 990 is published.

Ohr Shloime inc. was only granted non-profit status in 2021 so no form 990 data is available

ZSRF seems to have very little overhead expenses https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/463552473/202131969349100813/full

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2023, 09:45:39 PM »

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2023, 11:05:59 PM »
Is the correct Zichron Shlomo Refuah Fund?

Iím actually not sure. I havenít been able to find their EIN listed anywhere
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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2023, 07:09:35 AM »
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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2023, 07:57:45 PM »
someone sent me this:

https://www.ivelt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=53935

anyone here capable of explaining? THANK YOU

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2023, 08:08:15 PM »
someone sent me this:

https://www.ivelt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=53935

anyone here capable of explaining? THANK YOU
There's nothing in that thread that isn't here
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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2023, 08:54:19 PM »
There's nothing in that thread that isn't here
lol...  does anyone have verification that the monies these kids collect actually ends up somewhere?
the brochure says to make out checks to ohr shlomie which IRS says was created in 2021, so no public info available
the brochure also says money goes to mishkan yosef in irsrael which they say has been around for a decade, but has no contact info??

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2023, 09:01:54 PM »
lol...  does anyone have verification that the monies these kids collect actually ends up somewhere?
the brochure says to make out checks to ohr shlomie which IRS says was created in 2021, so no public info available
the brochure also says money goes to mishkan yosef in irsrael which they say has been around for a decade, but has no contact info??
To me it seems as if itís a big fake.

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2023, 08:18:46 AM »
lol...  does anyone have verification that the monies these kids collect actually ends up somewhere?
the brochure says to make out checks to ohr shlomie which IRS says was created in 2021, so no public info available
the brochure also says money goes to mishkan yosef in irsrael which they say has been around for a decade, but has no contact info??
I'm not vouching, just saying that's it's completely normal and very common for Israeli Moisdos to open a us org with EIN to collect funds in the US.. and many do so after many years of being open.
Again, I'm not familiar with the ORG and not vouching.

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2023, 08:27:11 AM »
Anyone here have kids that come home from school with- or see an advertisment in one of the kids magazines- colorful brochures of wonderful prizes they are offering for childrenb to collect money over Purim (example)? Do you encourage your child/ren to collect, do you feel comfortable with them accepting such costly 'gifts', and how do you feel about this if it's an organization that you aren't comfortable with- let's assume because of this thread theme?

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2023, 08:32:14 AM »
Anyone here have kids that come home from school with- or see an advertisment in one of the kids magazines- colorful brochures of wonderful prizes they are offering for childrenb to collect money over Purim (example)? Do you encourage your child/ren to collect, do you feel comfortable with them accepting such costly 'gifts', and how do you feel about this if it's an organization that you aren't comfortable with- let's assume because of this thread theme?
Playing devil's advocate for a minute (this might be a good new thread topic), from a chinuch point of view - what exactly are we trying to teach kids with these collecting programs? Schnorring is an acceptable livelihood?

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2023, 08:44:22 AM »
Playing devil's advocate for a minute (this might be a good new thread topic), from a chinuch point of view - what exactly are we trying to teach kids with these collecting programs? Schnorring is an acceptable livelihood?
That it is a good thing to be willing to go out and ask people for money to help others
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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2023, 09:21:15 AM »
I'm not vouching, just saying that's it's completely normal and very common for Israeli Moisdos to open a us org with EIN to collect funds in the US.. and many do so after many years of being open.
Again, I'm not familiar with the ORG and not vouching.

they claim mishkan yosef has been around since 1972, but i cant seem to find any israeli website or verification that they still exist
anything is possible, but why would someone open a new US org in 2021 for a place thats been operational for so long?

they give out hundreds of thousands of dollars in prizes (see lakewood scoop story on PD shutdown of giveaway last year) that easily translates into million plus dollars collected. IS THERE REALLY NO WAY TO VERIFY THAT THIS ISN'T A SCAM? I hope its not, where are the forum detectives when we need them ;)
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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2023, 09:59:33 AM »
IS THERE REALLY NO WAY TO VERIFY THAT THIS ISN"T A SCAM?
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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2023, 04:55:41 PM »
they claim mishkan yosef has been around since 1972, but i cant seem to find any israeli website or verification that they still exist
anything is possible, but why would someone open a new US org in 2021 for a place thats been operational for so long?

they give out hundreds of thousands of dollars in prizes (see lakewood scoop story on PD shutdown of giveaway last year) that easily translates into million plus dollars collected. IS THERE REALLY NO WAY TO VERIFY THAT THIS ISN'T A SCAM? I hope its not, where are the forum detectives when we need them ;)

any detectives out there??

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2023, 07:03:24 PM »
Playing devil's advocate for a minute (this might be a good new thread topic), from a chinuch point of view - what exactly are we trying to teach kids with these collecting programs? Schnorring is an acceptable livelihood?

Will they learn that through collecting or by knowing for whom they collect?

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2023, 07:50:32 PM »
Will they learn that through collecting or by knowing for whom they collect?
i would leave the chinuch aspect for someone else, but shouldnt there be some accountability from the organization to show credentials?

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Re: Mishkan Yosef Tzedakah
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2023, 08:06:47 PM »
Does anyone know details of this org (zichron yosef- under ohr shloime?) or zichron shlomo refuah fund? Do they take the money that the kids collect and buy the prizes for 40% of the tzedakah money? Plus office costs... Do they have haskamos?

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