Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....

[ExGingi]

Military service is used as a dog-whistle to obfuscate the true agenda.

And similarly, objections to the proposed judicial reform (which should actually be called - Restoration of Democracy) crying that the proposed legislation is anti-democratic, are simply a way to obfuscate the true agenda of the protesters (or at least of their leaders and funders. I am having a discussion over Twitter with someone I know that posted that he's protesting, and questioning is showing how naive he is).

[CountValentine]

Military service is used as a dog-whistle to obfuscate the true agenda.

The bottom line is that the military professionals would much rather abandon the compulsory draft and move to a professional model similar to the US. However, the compulsory draft "the people's army" (there's a reason it sounds like it does) is a political mechanism, not a professional security-interests-based mechanism (just like the Eurozone isn't a financial mechanism, but rather a political one).

Pick a side. What if the D's or R's decided they will not participate to protect our country. What do you think would happen? 

[ExGingi]

Pick a side. What if the D's or R's decided they will not participate to protect our country. What do you think would happen? 

I cannot fathom that.

[ckmk47]

Military service is used as a dog-whistle to obfuscate the true agenda.

The bottom line is that the military professionals would much rather abandon the compulsory draft and move to a professional model similar to the US. However, the compulsory draft "the people's army" (there's a reason it sounds like it does) is a political mechanism, not a professional security-interests-based mechanism (just like the Eurozone isn't a financial mechanism, but rather a political one).

Exactly.  Everyone would have the same footing to opt in or out of the military.
And abandoning the draft would solve some of the religious divide. The frum would go to work so you don't have the impression of

20% of the population does 80% of the work

[CountValentine]

Exactly.  Everyone would have the same footing to opt in or out of the military.
And abandoning the draft would solve some of the religious divide. The frum would go to work so you don't have the impression of

You don't see a large % of the population not willing to serve as a problem that will divide a country?

[Pony]

You don't see a large % of the population not willing to serve as a problem that will divide a country?

The reason for the current protests tearing appart the nation have nothing to do with those that don't serve in the army. On the contrary, the most ardent army supporters, the national religous, are the ones pushing for the (much needed) judicial reforms.

[CountValentine]

The reason for the current protests tearing appart the nation have nothing to do with those that don't serve in the army. On the contrary, the most ardent army supporters, the national religous, are the ones pushing for the (much needed) judicial reforms.

My question was addressing the point being made that getting rid of the mandatory service will unite the country. IMHO when you have any large group not willing to serve will tear the country apart.

[Dan]

My question was addressing the point being made that getting rid of the mandatory service will unite the country. IMHO when you have any large group not willing to serve will tear the country apart.

That rift has existed since Israel was established as learning in yeshiva gives a service waiver.

[yitzgar]

My question was addressing the point being made that getting rid of the mandatory service will unite the country. IMHO when you have any large group not willing to serve will tear the country apart.

That is already the case. He is suggesting to mitigate the damage by allowing anyone not to serve

[CountValentine]

That rift has existed since Israel was established as learning in yeshiva gives a service waiver.

They then serve after the learning?

[CountValentine]

That is already the case. He is suggesting to mitigate the damage by allowing anyone not to serve

IMHO opinion that would make it worse.

[S209]

So whoever is in power makes the law? If so, that is insane!!!

Please explain why that’s insane. (I understand the concern of tyranny by the majority but that doesn’t make it an “insane” idea, especially when many major countries such as Australia and Canada essentially function this way.)

It’s key to realize that not every country should be required to follow the exact system we have in the US. Countries are entitled to divergent views.

[yitzgar]

They then serve after the learning?

They stay in yeshiva until they are too old to be drafted. Even then, they can't get a regular job or go to school since they didn't serve

[CountValentine]

Please explain why that’s insane. (I understand the concern of tyranny by the majority but that doesn’t make it an “insane” idea, especially when many major countries such as Australia and Canada essentially function this way.)

It’s key to realize that not every country should be required to follow the exact system we have in the US. Countries are entitled to divergent views.

Any country can have any view they want.

Having a law bounce back and forth depending which party is in power is insanity to me.

Let's take guns as an issue. This year they are legal and next year they are banned. But wait there is more, the year after they are legal again. 

Or in Israel, one year everyone must serve and the next year no one has to serve. The list goes on and on.

[CountValentine]

They stay in yeshiva until they are too old to be drafted. Even then, they can't get a regular job or go to school since they didn't serve

...and the women?

[yitzgar]

...and the women?

I don't think it is compulsory for women but I'm sure someone here has more knowledge

[CountValentine]

I don't think it is compulsory for women but I'm sure someone here has more knowledge

Found this on the internet but you know what they say about the internet.

The IDF is one of the only armies in the Western world in which women are drafted to military service by law. Women have served in the Israeli army ever since its establishment in 1948.

[imayid2]

I don't think it is compulsory for women but I'm sure someone here has more knowledge

I think it is compulsory and the religious get a waiver.

[aygart]

Any country can have any view they want.

Having a law bounce back and forth depending which party is in power is insanity to me.

Let's take guns as an issue. This year they are legal and next year they are banned. But wait there is more, the year after they are legal again. 

Or in Israel, one year everyone must serve and the next year no one has to serve. The list goes on and on.

How is this different than any other republican form of Govt?

[CountValentine]

How is this different than any other republican form of Govt?

Who said it was?