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The Supreme Court is not elected by representatives of the people. They are elected by other Supreme Court justices as well as from the Israel Bar Association.

The Supreme Court has the ultimate say on any law passed in Israel. They govern purely on "feelings", there is no constitution they base rulings on. This means that if the Knesset passes a bill regardless by what % of MK's voting for the bill. The SC can cancel that law/bill by a simple majority and the knesset cannot do anything about it.

The reform bill basically wants to give the elected officials of the Knesset the ability to choose who should be on the SC just like in the USA. They also want to take away the ability of the SC to cancel basic laws. They want to put the power back in the hands of the knesset who are democratically elected by the people.

This terrifies the left in Israel since they know they will never have a majority again in the Knesset. They will always need to rely on people like Lieberman, who although sat with Lapid is generally Right Wing, Gantz as well is Center Right and will also want more right wing judges if it was up to the Knesset. The left in Israel has only one thing preventing a true right wing country. That is the SC and that is why they are fighting until the bitter end.



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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #440 on: June 25, 2024, 09:02:12 AM »
Another major nail in the coffin of whatever semblance of Democracy existed in Israel and turning it into an official Juristocracy. I fear that the only way this will end will be in a serious coup.

https://x.com/ptr_dvd/status/1805524086971580485
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« Reply #441 on: June 25, 2024, 05:22:09 PM »
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« Reply #442 on: June 26, 2024, 04:20:00 PM »
You really can't make up this kind of stuff:

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« Reply #446 on: July 04, 2024, 02:20:09 PM »
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Mars Inc. acquired the company in full in 2020.

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Which in the context that matters to Jews means turning Israel into מדינת כל אזרחיה.


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Remember that B&J was also sold to Unilever, but the "social mission" continued.

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #449 on: July 10, 2024, 02:03:42 PM »
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/392852
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #450 on: July 14, 2024, 12:01:23 PM »
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ב- 21 בספטמבר 2023 אולי ברגע של זחיחות או ביטחון עצמי מופרז חשף העורך הראשי של עיתון "הארץ" את המטרה האמיתית של החבורה שהם בין מפעיליה הראשיים. את הכותרת אתם יכולים לראות בצילום המצורף.

אירוע דומה קרה ב-23 בפברואר 2010 לחדווה רדוביץ, סמנכ"ל הקרן החדשה, שאמרה "היעלמותה של המדינה היהודית לא תהיה הטרגדיה שהישראלים חוששים ממנה". אך היא אמרה זאת לגורמים אמריקאים, ולא חשבה שיש סכנה שוויקיליקס ידליפו את המסמך שבו היא צוּטטה.

למי שעוקב אחרי הפעילים מהסוג הזה במשך השנים לא צריך להסביר כי חיסול הפרויקט הציוני של מדינה יהודית בארץ ישראל היא מטרת העל שלהם. הנושא הוכח כבר על-פני פודקסטים רבים מספור. אך בשגרה הם לא פועלים במישרין להשגת המטרה שלהם אלא בדרכים עקלקלות, מאחר והם יודעים, שלמטרה הזו רוב מוחלט של אזרחי ישראל וכמעט כל היהודים במדינה לא ייתנו את ידם במודע.

לכן הם תוקפים על-ידי שימוש במטרות סרק, שאזרחים רבים יכולים להזדהות עימם בקלות. בין הקמפיינים שהם יצרו ניתן למנות בין היתר את המילקי, הדיור, הקורונה, הגז, הנישום, הצוללות, השוחד מרמה והפרת אמונים, הרפורמה, גיוס החרדים, החטופים ועוד. לכול אחד מהקמפיינים הללו יש קהל מטרה מספיק גדול. חלקו הגדול תמים וחלקו מבין ושותף למטרת העל.

בקמפיינים הללו הם משיגים מספר מטרות. הם יוצרים חוסר שביעות רצון ומיאוס מהמדינה כפי שהיא. הם מפוררים את החברה, מסכסכים בין חלקיה, כך שהחברה לא תוכל בקלות להתאחד כדי להדוף סכנות קיומיות משותפות. הם יוצרים הסחת דעת מהמטרה האמיתית שהם חותרים אליה, בזמן שהם מתקדמים להשגתה צעד אחר צעד. ובמיוחד הם שומרים על הגופים האנטי-ציוניים שאמורים לספק להם את ההישגים שיביאו להם את השגת המטרה הסופית, התקשורת, האקדמיה, הפקידות הבכירה, העמותות שלהם, וגולת הכותרת - הבג"ץ.

לצערנו, יש מספיק אידיוטים שימושיים שמאמינים בסיסמאות שהם שוטפים בהם את המוח כמו למשל על-כך שרוצים לפגוע בבג"ץ כדי לעשות פה דיקטטורה, או שנתניהו רוצה להשתלט על מערכת המשפט כדי להשתמט ממשפטו (באשמות המפוברקות). כך הופכת גם התנגדות לפסיקה שתציף את הארץ באזרחים לא-יהודים עויני עמנו לערעור על סמכותו של בג"ץ, ולכן להתנגדות ל"דמוקרטיה".

על הדרך הם מתישים את כוחנו, מתנגדיהם, שאין לרשותנו משאבים כספיים עצומים כפי שיש להם במאבקים המרובים שאינם המהות האמיתית שהם חותרים להשגתה.

לכן, אסור לנו להיגרר אחרי הקמפיינים שלהם, ואנחנו חייבים לא להסיר את העיניים מהכדור – שמירה על מדינת הלאום של העם היהודי. לשם אנחנו צריכים לכוון את הקמפיין שלנו, ולמקד את המסרים שלנו סביב הנושא הזה. להתאחד סביבו, במקום להתפלג לפי סדר היום שהם מנסים להכתיב. להתעלם מרעשי הרקע והפרובוקציות.

הם נכסו לעצמם את מגילת העצמאות תוך שימוש בשקר לגבי תוכנה האמיתי, ובכן אנחנו צריכים להשיב להם באותו מטבע, ולהשתמש בסיסמה "מדינה יהודית בארץ ישראל, היא מדינת ישראל" המהווה את הליבה של מגילת העצמאות. להדפיס אותה על חולצות, לכתוב אותה על כרזות, לשאת אותה בהפגנות. על זה אנחנו נאבקים, כי קצנו בגלות, מאסנו לכפוף את ראשינו בפני גלי אנטישמיות. ארץ ישראל היא מולדתנו, היא ביתנו, ואף אחד לא ייתן לזרים לקחת לו את הבית.

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On September 21, 2023, perhaps in a moment of arrogance or excessive self-confidence, the editor-in-chief of the "Haaretz" newspaper revealed the true purpose of the group that they are among its main operators. You can see the title in the attached photo.

A similar incident happened on February 23, 2010 to Hedva Radovitz, the VP of the new fund, who said, "The disappearance of the Jewish state will not be the tragedy that the Israelis fear." But she told this to American officials, and did not think there was any danger that WikiLeaks would leak the document in which she was quoted.

For those who follow this type of activists over the years, it is not necessary to explain that the elimination of the Zionist project of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel is their ultimate goal. The topic has already been proven on countless podcasts. But normally they do not work directly to achieve their goal but in devious ways, since they know that for this goal an absolute majority of the citizens of Israel and almost all the Jews in the country will not knowingly give their hand.

Therefore they attack using idle targets, which many citizens can easily identify with. Among the campaigns they created are the milky, the housing, the corona, the gas, the tax, the submarines, bribery, fraud and breach of trust, the reform, the recruitment of the ultra-Orthodox, the kidnapped, and more. Each of these campaigns has a large enough target audience. A large part is innocent and a part understands and shares the supreme goal.

In these campaigns they achieve several goals. They create dissatisfaction and disgust with the country as it is. They disintegrate society, conflict between its parts, so that society cannot easily unite to repel common existential dangers. They create a distraction from the real goal they are striving for, while they progress towards achieving it step by step. And in particular they guard the anti-Zionist bodies that are supposed to provide them with the achievements that will bring them the achievement of the final goal, the media, the academy, the senior officials, their associations, and the highlight - the High Court.

Unfortunately, there are enough useful idiots who believe in the slogans with which they wash their brains, such as that they want to damage the High Court in order to create a dictatorship here, or that Netanyahu wants to take over the judicial system in order to evade his trial (with fabricated charges). This is how opposition to a ruling that will flood the The country's non-Jewish citizens are hostile to us for challenging the authority of the High Court, and therefore for opposing "democracy."

Along the way, they exhaust our strength, their opponents, who do not have vast financial resources at our disposal as they have in the multiple struggles which are not the true essence they are striving to achieve.

Therefore, we must not be dragged behind their campaigns, and we must not take our eyes off the ball - safeguarding the nation-state of the Jewish people. That's where we need to direct our campaign, and focus our messages around this issue. unite around him, instead of dividing according to the agenda they try to dictate. Ignore the background noise and provocations.

They appropriated the Declaration of Independence using a lie about its true content, well we have to respond to them in the same currency, and use the slogan "a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, is the State of Israel" which is the core of the Declaration of Independence. Print it on shirts, write it on posters, carry it in demonstrations. This is what we are fighting for, because we are at the end of exile, we are tired of bowing our heads to waves of anti-Semitism. The Land of Israel is our homeland, it is our home, and no one will let foreigners take his home.
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #453 on: July 25, 2024, 11:16:48 AM »
Insightful, except for the fact that nothing should be attributed to Biden, but rather to his handlers (Obama, Soros etc.).

https://x.com/amit_segal/status/1816394081502626021
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Re: The United States: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #454 on: July 29, 2024, 08:31:07 AM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-long-shot-move-biden-unveils-plans-to-reform-us-supreme-court/
In long-shot move, Biden unveils plans to reform US Supreme Court
US president calls for constitutional amendment to reverse ruling backing Trump’s claims of presidential immunity, and to set term limits for top court’s justices
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #455 on: July 31, 2024, 12:16:17 AM »
In case you haven't been following, the left wing "reporters" and "hosts" of (failing) Channel 13 (owned by Len Blavatnick) appealed to the Israeli Supreme Court to stop the appointment of someone who is believed to have right-wing views to the top management position. The court, rather than rejecting the case, issued an order to the board of the PRIVATELY OWNED company to show that the appointment was done using fair and unbiased procedures.

One has to give it to MK Rothman who is sharp and knows how to put in a super cynical comment.

https://x.com/givonews_/status/1818361496541295032
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #456 on: July 31, 2024, 05:39:53 AM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-long-shot-move-biden-unveils-plans-to-reform-us-supreme-court/
In long-shot move, Biden unveils plans to reform US Supreme Court
US president calls for constitutional amendment to reverse ruling backing Trump’s claims of presidential immunity, and to set term limits for top court’s justices

If there isn’t a topic for this yet, there should be. If it gains momentum, it’s huge. If the Republicans play their cards right it could make for an easy victory for Trump. This could be a bigger threat to democracy than 1/6/21 ever was.
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #457 on: July 31, 2024, 07:32:33 AM »
If there isn’t a topic for this yet, there should be. If it gains momentum, it’s huge. If the Republicans play their cards right it could make for an easy victory for Trump. This could be a bigger threat to democracy than 1/6/21 ever was.
The events in Venezuela have me concerned about the future of the US. I would never think it could come here, but when I see so many of these young activists who are brainwashed, I get concerned.

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #458 on: August 09, 2024, 03:45:33 PM »
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #459 on: August 11, 2024, 01:50:04 PM »
@LongTimeLurker I'd love if you could give us the non charedi perspective on the AG's actions of late vis a vie the chareidi population.
for example:
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2304634/attorney-general-cuts-daycare-subsidies-for-chareidi-families.html
or ordering the IDF exactly how to conduct its draft