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The Supreme Court is not elected by representatives of the people. They are elected by other Supreme Court justices as well as from the Israel Bar Association.

The Supreme Court has the ultimate say on any law passed in Israel. They govern purely on "feelings", there is no constitution they base rulings on. This means that if the Knesset passes a bill regardless by what % of MK's voting for the bill. The SC can cancel that law/bill by a simple majority and the knesset cannot do anything about it.

The reform bill basically wants to give the elected officials of the Knesset the ability to choose who should be on the SC just like in the USA. They also want to take away the ability of the SC to cancel basic laws. They want to put the power back in the hands of the knesset who are democratically elected by the people.

This terrifies the left in Israel since they know they will never have a majority again in the Knesset. They will always need to rely on people like Lieberman, who although sat with Lapid is generally Right Wing, Gantz as well is Center Right and will also want more right wing judges if it was up to the Knesset. The left in Israel has only one thing preventing a true right wing country. That is the SC and that is why they are fighting until the bitter end.



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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #560 on: June 12, 2025, 04:08:10 AM »
Compromise being reported in which sanctions are immediately applied to Charedim who are neither in learning nor in the army. Details being worked out but most of the Charedim voted against dissolution, which did not pass.
Way too nice of a take.
Sanctions immediately even on bnei yeshivos.
(though many of these are stuff that the gedolim are in favor of being imposed on bachurim, like not being able to leave the country, or have a license).
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #561 on: June 12, 2025, 07:13:01 AM »
OK, coalition is safe for +/- 6 months
Charedim are safe for the next year or so
Then we do this all again
Cuz no one actually thinks these targets will be met

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #562 on: June 12, 2025, 07:20:05 AM »
Porush is going to petition to annex Ukraine so Bochurim can go to Uman for RH without leaving the country

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #563 on: June 12, 2025, 07:23:08 AM »
Newfound respect for Goldknopf- he resigned from the coalition because coalition promises were not kept. A politician with principles  :o

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #564 on: June 12, 2025, 08:15:40 AM »
Newfound respect for Goldknopf- he resigned from the coalition because coalition promises were not kept. A politician with principles  :o
The only principle here is listen to your rebbe. (the same as all the charedi MKs).
If the rebbe would have said stay, he would have.
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #565 on: June 12, 2025, 03:14:28 PM »
I don't believe even if the chareidim will pull out all the stops that they can "grind the country to a halt."

The leftists had 40% of the country out on the streets - women included. The chareidim who are frum enough to protest are probably under 10% and no woman is coming out.

The leftist had the power to call a general strike, close the airport etc. there are probably almost no charedim in positions high enough that they will cause any disturbance to the general population if they don't go to work.

This is besides the fact that in the event of real protest by the chareidim the level of police brutality is likely going to make sure that no one besides the most hard-core actually turns out for the second round.

the leftists just had some peaceful protests. They did nothing.

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #566 on: June 12, 2025, 04:22:56 PM »
the leftists just had some peaceful protests. They did nothing.
True the protests were largely peaceful but what do you have in mind for the chareidi protests?
If like most people you're think of blocking major highways in strategic places to "grind the country to a halt" that they did do.
They blocked the Ayalon every Motzei Shabbos for months, blocked access to Ben Gurion a few times, gridlocked most of Jerusalem etc.

But the point is that it wasn't actually the disruption that caused that worked. It was the Histadrut general strike, reservists refusing to serve, tech firms pulling investment (causing a real drop in the value of NIS and credit rating downgrades), and even the fact that there was international pressure on the government to withdraw, from Biden himself and from all the American Jewish organizations as well as European governments that ultimately caused them to give it up.

All of this will not exist in a Chareidi protest movement.

Besides the fact that you can't compare the pressure of a protest movement that 40% of the country supports which is causing a real drop in the governments approval ratings versus minority protests against a government policy that has close to 90% support and is probably giving government approval ratings a bump.

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #567 on: July 01, 2025, 02:48:47 PM »
So SCOIL thinks its a second rate BD
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/410971
Please make a pshara so we dony have to issue a psak...

Also Justice Stein goes full ACB on Justice Amit:
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"That's why we are here. I read the law, and it's clear. I struggle with things outside of the law."
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/410962

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #568 on: July 01, 2025, 05:11:25 PM »
So SCOIL thinks its a second rate BD
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/410971
Please make a pshara so we dony have to issue a psak...

Also Justice Stein goes full ACB on Justice Amit:https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/410962

No. Calling it a Kangaroo court would be an understatement! It is headed by a tone-deaf unqualified scofflaw politician, who tried to hide his violations and preferential treatment, and had himself nominated in an improper procedure, and then without a shred of shame rules against an unambiguous law (and in contradiction to his own prior rulings) just because he "doesn't trust the current government".

IMHO today he put the nail in his own coffin, when everyone was able to watch live how he is 1000% political, ignores the word of law, and is so aloof that he admonishes a mother of a kidnapped policeman (who is likely no longer alive r"l), that just happens to be the person who filed the appeal to the supreme court. His arguing with the other judges on the bench was pitiful at best, but more likely to arouse an urge to puke.

"Judge" Yitzchak-Itzik Goldfreind-Amit warning Mrs. Gvilli, Esq. not to interrupt...
https://x.com/avishaigrinzaig/status/1940042893269332047

Mrs. Gvilli's after the fact response and mirror to the face of the scofflaw
https://x.com/berale_crombie/status/1940091021238628481

First page of appeal filing showing Mrs. Gvilli as the appellant.
https://x.com/MannTalya/status/1940074290721755148
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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