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The Supreme Court is not elected by representatives of the people. They are elected by other Supreme Court justices as well as from the Israel Bar Association.

The Supreme Court has the ultimate say on any law passed in Israel. They govern purely on "feelings", there is no constitution they base rulings on. This means that if the Knesset passes a bill regardless by what % of MK's voting for the bill. The SC can cancel that law/bill by a simple majority and the knesset cannot do anything about it.

The reform bill basically wants to give the elected officials of the Knesset the ability to choose who should be on the SC just like in the USA. They also want to take away the ability of the SC to cancel basic laws. They want to put the power back in the hands of the knesset who are democratically elected by the people.

This terrifies the left in Israel since they know they will never have a majority again in the Knesset. They will always need to rely on people like Lieberman, who although sat with Lapid is generally Right Wing, Gantz as well is Center Right and will also want more right wing judges if it was up to the Knesset. The left in Israel has only one thing preventing a true right wing country. That is the SC and that is why they are fighting until the bitter end.



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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2023, 02:20:25 PM »
Who said it was?

So what form are government would you advocate for?
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2023, 02:21:39 PM »
Pick a side. What if the D's or R's decided they will not participate to protect our country.
Totally incomparable. Studying Torah is protecting the country.

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #62 on: March 27, 2023, 02:23:19 PM »
Totally incomparable. Studying Torah is protecting the country.
That is a great argument but will not hold water by someone who doesn't yet believe.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #63 on: March 27, 2023, 02:23:41 PM »
This is a pretty good explainer. It's a long thread. Warning: he uses foul language later on

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #64 on: March 27, 2023, 02:23:51 PM »
So what form are government would you advocate for?
I am not advocating for anything. I said it was insanity.
Do I prefer the US form of government over Israel, yes.
Take away SCOTUS and imagine the nutcases from either side going unchecked. Pure INSANITY!!!
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #65 on: March 27, 2023, 02:24:26 PM »
That is a great argument but will not hold water by someone who doesn't yet believe.
Not arguing. Explaining their point of view.

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #66 on: March 27, 2023, 02:24:55 PM »
That is a great argument but will not hold water by someone who doesn't yet believe.
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #67 on: March 27, 2023, 02:25:06 PM »
I am not advocating for anything. I said it was insanity.
Do I prefer the US form of government over Israel, yes.
Take away SCOTUS and imagine the nutcases from either side going unchecked. Pure INSANITY!!!
The majority can amend the constitution.

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #68 on: March 27, 2023, 02:25:46 PM »
I am not advocating for anything. I said it was insanity.
Do I prefer the US form of government over Israel, yes.
Take away SCOTUS and imagine the nutcases from either side going unchecked. Pure INSANITY!!!
The same complaint applies in the US!
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #69 on: March 27, 2023, 02:25:59 PM »
Not arguing. Explaining their point of view.
Their point of view does not hold water.  ;)
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #70 on: March 27, 2023, 02:26:35 PM »
The same complaint applies in the US!
What complaint?
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #71 on: March 27, 2023, 02:27:50 PM »
The majority can amend the constitution.
Incorrect unless you meant supermajority.
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« Reply #72 on: March 27, 2023, 02:28:38 PM »

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #73 on: March 27, 2023, 02:33:36 PM »
I am not advocating for anything. I said it was insanity.
Do I prefer the US form of government over Israel, yes.
Take away SCOTUS and imagine the nutcases from either side going unchecked. Pure INSANITY!!!

Why is that any more INSANE than a super-minority imposing their viewpoints and going unchecked?

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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2023, 02:35:31 PM »
What complaint?
That it can change back and forth depending on who is elected.
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2023, 02:35:59 PM »
Why is that any more INSANE than a super-minority imposing their viewpoints and going unchecked?
Super-minority?
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2023, 02:38:37 PM »
That it can change back and forth depending on who is elected.
Anything can happen, but history has shown us that is the rare exception and not the rule.

Now contrast that with executive orders. They flip flop with every different admin.
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2023, 02:39:59 PM »
Super-minority?
Yes the whims of a "judiciary" that self-appoints and does have any judicial restraint based on a constitution or similar document.
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2023, 02:41:29 PM »
Yes the whims of a "judiciary" that self-appoints and does have any judicial restraint based on a constitution or similar document.
Oh, that was in reference to Israel. Ya, that is insane also.

I guess we are in agreement?  :)
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Re: Israel: Judicial Reform & Future of Democracy....
« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2023, 03:10:45 PM »
what's the story with the Ben Gurion airport? is it open? have a flight on Wendsday