Is it possible to have an honest discussion about guns?

[CountValentine]

There you go talking politics

You want to twist everything into to politics. You are the type of person that should stay out of these types of discussions.

[CountValentine]

Gun free zones invite bad guys with guns.

Like Las Vegas? 

[aygart]

You want to twist everything into to politics. You are the type of person that should stay out of these types of discussions.

Keeping your head on the sand about the politics of it will prevent anything from actually getting done.

[jj1000]

Keeping your head on the sand about the politics of it will prevent anything from actually getting done.

Who said he wants to get anything done?

He just wants a discussion, no?

[CountValentine]

Keeping your head on the sand about the politics of it will prevent anything from actually getting done.

Like the civil rights movement? 
You need people that leave politics out of it to make major changes. I know you seem to not comprehend this.

[CountValentine]

He just wants a discussion, no?

If you get more people to discuss it honestly, that will result in getting something done.

Do we really need someone close to us to die to take action?

[Moshe Green]

If you get more people to discuss it honestly, that will result in getting something done.

Do we really need someone close to us to die to take action?

I'm with you CV. Can we start with these?:

1) The US has many more times gun deaths than any other civilized Western country.
2) The US has many more times freedom than many other civilized Western countries.
3) Guns are a staple of many people across many states. They grew up with 'em, have 'em, and love 'em.
4) The situation is a bit crazy that any Tom, Dick, and Harry can go nuts (we all do at some point...) and kill 10's of people in minutes.
5) Many gun owners are paranoid, (maybe rightfully so) that the government wants to take over and take their guns which can protect them from the government.
6) The Constitution protects gun rights for this very reason
7) Not everything (life w/o freedom) is worth living for
Not everything (having guns) is worth dying for

[aygart]

Like the civil rights movement? 
You need people that leave politics out of it to make major changes. I know you seem to not comprehend this.

If you think political savvy did not play a major part in the success of the civil rights movement I have a whole package of regional bank debt to sell you.

[aygart]

If you get more people to discuss it honestly, that will result in getting something done.

Do we really need someone close to us to die to take action?

A discussion that leaves out the politics is not an honest one.

I've said this a number of times here. What has prevented reasonable gun control from happening is the way the push has always been dishonest or ignorant and by those who really want to create a total ban. Bridging the sides for reasonable reform will take a ton of political savvy much more than it will take "honest conversation". After the shooting during the Trump admin I felt that it was a potential opportunity to get things done if DJT had gotten on board. I don't think that the current political environment can get it done.

[CountValentine]

If you think political savvy did not play a major part in the success of the civil rights movement I have a whole package of regional bank debt to sell you.

Every major change starts somewhere. If you think the civil rights movement started about politics, then you know very little about this country.

You always try to make something about something else. I wonder why that is, NOT!!!

[Kobe Bryant]

Federal law
Don't murder people (sorry I can't find the exact quote or statute).

Point is if the laws were actually followed we wouldn't be in this position in the first place.

IIRC 18 U.S. Code § 1111

[aygart]

Every major change starts somewhere. If you think the civil rights movement started about politics, then you know very little about this country.

You always try to make something about something else. I wonder why that is, NOT!!!

Started

And here folks, we can see why it is impossible to have an honest conversation. It simply ends up with those who feel the need to attack other like you can see in the quoted post. That precludes any honest conversation.

[CountValentine]

Started

And here folks, we can see why it is impossible to have an honest conversation. It simply ends up with those who feel the need to attack other like you can see in the quoted post. That precludes any honest conversation.

You want to make something about politics when no one mentioned politics. You have an agenda.
You do this all the time.

[Yehuda57]

What is/are politics?

[CountValentine]

What is/are politics?

According to @aygart anything you discuss has to be political.

[aygart]

You want to make something about politics when no one mentioned politics. You have an agenda.
You do this all the time.

You mentioned politics before I did. So much for honest.

I am not at all trying to make it about politics but it cannot be ignored.

I am done with this conversation since apparently all your talk about honesty was a facade. I have no invest in the personal attacks. Once those start you know that honesty is not involved at all.

[CountValentine]

You mentioned politics before I did. So much for honest.

I have done everything I can to not make it about politics.
On the other hand, you take a non-political post and claim it is politics. You just can't comprehend non-political posts. That is sad.

So we need stronger "red flag" laws and stronger enforcement?
This would help but you still need to address the elephant in the room with common sense.

There you go talking politics

[imayid2]

you still need to address the elephant in the room with common sense.

What’s the elephant in the room?

[CountValentine]

What’s the elephant in the room?

Guns.

[Yehuda57]

According to @aygart anything you discuss has to be political.

According to you, what is politics?