Is it possible to have an honest discussion about guns?

[CountValentine]

With 100, there is a possibility of some getting lost and stolen.

I know numerous people that own many guns. They all have real gun safes. They used to display their guns in beautiful gun cabinets but no longer. When I was growing up, we had guns hanging on the wall. I don't see that anymore.

[CountValentine]

I'd assume because ARs have bigger bullets so more damage.
Guns are a quick way to end life.
No

It sounds like you're going for a point. I'm not drawing the dots together.

AR and the likes are one of the most common. IMHO being so readily available is why they are chosen.

Our only save and grace is most of these murders know little to nothing about guns and killing power. If they did, we would have LAS deaths at every one of these mass shootings. 

[Definitions]

AR and the likes are one of the most common. IMHO being so readily available is why they are chosen.

AR as opposed to what?

[CountValentine]

AR as opposed to what?

Say a shotgun?

[AsherO]

You have to ask yourself why is the choice in the majority of these shootings the AR style of weapon?
Why is it that a gun is the choice to commit suicide?

Isn’t it cause ARs are more deadly?

[CountValentine]

Isn’t it cause ARs are more deadly?

You tell me:

[yuneeq]

I know numerous people that own many guns. They all have real gun safes. They used to display their guns in beautiful gun cabinets but no longer.

That was an assumption I made in my post above, that if you owned 100 guns, you would take the proper precautions to ensure they were not stolen.

[Ver hut gazugt]

Why is it that a gun is the choice to commit suicide?

this very important part is rarely discussed.


Suicides account for over half of all firearm deaths (54%), and over half of all suicides involve a firearm (53%)

[CountValentine]

That was an assumption I made in my post above, that if you owned 100 guns, you would take the proper precautions to ensure they were not stolen.

Would you be for properly securing all guns type of legislation?

[CountValentine]

this very important part is rarely discussed.


Suicides account for over half of all firearm deaths (54%), and over half of all suicides involve a firearm (53%)

There is a reason it is not discussed by many.

Why would someone choose such a brutal way to die? Can it be a firearm is so readily available? If there was a pill you could pop and instantly die you think that would be the number one choice?

[yuneeq]

You have to ask yourself why is the choice in the majority of these shootings the AR style of weapon?
Why is it that a gun is the choice to commit suicide?

Educate me. They kill more and are glorified in culture? What is your point though - if the AR didn't exist, would mass murderers not find a different weapon of choice? Regarding suicide, I'm guessing because it's instant and probably psychologically easier to pull the trigger than other options. However, I am not compelled to ban all guns due to this personal choice of suicide weapon.

I agree who owns it does matter. How they get these guns is another major problem.

Does anyone really believe the more guns in circulation makes everyone in the country safer?

Again, depends on who owns those extra guns. I would also say it depends on how many guns are already in circulation in that area. US obviously has more than enough guns, but only in general. But arguendo, should I care if in general more guns means less safety - should someone at personal risk ignore their safety because of a national cap on how many guns can be in circulation?

[Ver hut gazugt]

There is a reason it is not discussed by many.

Why would someone choose such a brutal way to die? Can it be a firearm is so readily available? If there was a pill you could pop and instantly die you think that would be the number one choice?

if I had to guess it’s the least scary. Pill would be up their too.

[yuneeq]

Would you be for properly securing all guns type of legislation?

I don't know if there's existing legislation for this and what it may include, but I would be for this concept in general.

[yuneeq]

There is a reason it is not discussed by many.

Why would someone choose such a brutal way to die? Can it be a firearm is so readily available? If there was a pill you could pop and instantly die you think that would be the number one choice?

If it's about availability, there are a thousand ways to commit suicide that are readily available to anyone. I think gun death is less brutal and quicker/easier than many others though. And everyone knows how to do it.

[CountValentine]

Educate me. They kill more and are glorified in culture? What is your point though - if the AR didn't exist, would mass murderers not find a different weapon of choice?

They will always find a way. That does not mean we should not limit the easy ways. Remember they know little to nothing about guns. Monkey see monkey do.

But arguendo, should I care if in general more guns means less safety - should someone at personal risk ignore their safety because of a national cap on how many guns can be in circulation?

Is this true? Someone owning a gun makes them and their family more safe? I would argue for most it is a false sense of security.

[CountValentine]

I don't know if there's existing legislation for this and what it may include, but I would be for this concept in general.

So we can agree on things that would seem to help to keep guns out of the wrong hands without yelling ban guns!!!

[CountValentine]

To answer my own question I would have to say, YES!!! 

[Yehuda57]

They will always find a way. That does not mean we should not limit the easy ways.

Iinm, this is false and many don't end up finding another way. When you limit the "easy ways" you reduce suicide. When guard rails are put up or guns are removed, the suicide rate tends to drop, and not everyone finds another way.

[CountValentine]

Iinm, this is false and many don't end up finding another way. When you limit the "easy ways" you reduce suicide. When guard rails are put up or guns are removed, the suicide rate tends to drop, and not everyone finds another way.

I would have to go back and look at the studies but IIRC initially you are correct but then it starts to creep back up.

[yuneeq]

They will always find a way. That does not mean we should not limit the easy ways. Remember they know little to nothing about guns. Monkey see monkey do.

Do you suggest banning all AR-style weapons, along with any gun that can be modified to mimic it? If so, do AR-style weapons serve no useful purpose at all?

Is this true? Someone owning a gun makes them and their family more safe? I would argue for most it is a false sense of security.

I am asking in a case where owning a gun makes the person and their family safer. Let's say a jeweler or someone in a risky business. Should they lose their right to a gun because the US has too many guns? Would it matter that US has X amount of guns if 90% are in the South and 0.1% are in my state? How does my purchase make my city, state, or country less safe?