Time for some proper due diligence/ independent auditing in our communities

[yuneeq]

You don’t think that failed real estate deals had the risks in their OM’s?

You can’t compare real estate investing to a startup. Full stop.

[free123cc]

i think everyone here is all for due diligence and being very careful before throwing your money around, but what is with the hate against ira zlotowitz?
Wether or not you agree with his business model, he is a smart and thought-out businessman who is not just raising money from others to take advantage of them, rather it is a startup with lots of potential. He is most definetly not some fly by night kind of syndicator.....

its freeken rosh chodesh elul people can we stop spouting motzie shem ra in the public to hundreds/thousands of people???

(and for those who sincerely question and want to debate the business model of Gparency, this thread is not the place for it. Open a new thread and debate respectfully wether you think it has potential or not. but reading it in this thread will cause lots of ppl to think badly about him or start to think he has done something shady....which he has not)

[Onefishtwofish]

but what is with the hate against ira zlotowitz?

its freeken rosh chodesh elul people can we stop spouting motzie shem ra in the public to hundreds/thousands of people???

(and for those who sincerely question and want to debate the business model of Gparency, this thread is not the place for it. Open a new thread and debate respectfully wether you think it has potential or not. but reading it in this thread will cause lots of ppl to think badly about him or start to think he has done something shady....which he has not)

But for BS the hate is ok?...
Just wondering.

[dealfinder11]

Won't work for interest

Right, or dividends. Unless you tax loss harvest to offset the gains.

[dealfinder11]

But for BS the hate is ok?...
Just wondering.

Please do not conflate the two.

[chevron]

i think everyone here is all for due diligence and being very careful before throwing your money around, but what is with the hate against ira zlotowitz?
Wether or not you agree with his business model, he is a smart and thought-out businessman who is not just raising money from others to take advantage of them, rather it is a startup with lots of potential. He is most definetly not some fly by night kind of syndicator.....

its freeken rosh chodesh elul people can we stop spouting motzie shem ra in the public to hundreds/thousands of people???

(and for those who sincerely question and want to debate the business model of Gparency, this thread is not the place for it. Open a new thread and debate respectfully wether you think it has potential or not. but reading it in this thread will cause lots of ppl to think badly about him or start to think he has done something shady....which he has not)

No, it's a discussion of due diligence.

Rather than respond like this, take the time to explain his business etc

If you don't want to, that's fine. But you can't demand people not ask questions

[Alexsei]

Soon we'll welcome @ira_zlot to the forums?

[JMHO]

No, it's a discussion of due diligence.

Rather than respond like this, take the time to explain his business etc

If you don't want to, that's fine. But you can't demand people not ask questions

Why should or could an outsider explain it defend his business?

People can ask questions but let's not throw accusations...

[chevron]

Why should or could an outsider explain it defend his business?

People can ask questions but let's not throw accusations...

I didn't see accusations, maybe skepticism.

No one is above questions, then you just end up with blind faith

[free123cc]

But for BS the hate is ok?...
Just wondering.

personally i feel the hate on BS AND ON JUDAH SPINNER/BLACKROCK went on for too long. however its different being a "influencer" who was advertising for a somewhat questionable financial investment....sorry but if u r a influencer then these things are part of the territlory, and if u cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen. on the other hand, wth did ira zlotowitz do or say wrong???

[free123cc]

No, it's a discussion of due diligence.

Rather than respond like this, take the time to explain his business etc

If you don't want to, that's fine. But you can't demand people not ask questions

if you want to ask questions and discuss his business and not just bash him, open a new dedicated thread to the viability of Gparencys business model, not throw him in here w accusations of using the community as easy money for his company and group him together in discussions with weinstein and a bunch of other crooks...

[free123cc]

I didn't see accusations, maybe skepticism.

No one is above questions, then you just end up with blind faith

dont have blind faith. u should ask questions, just dont put him in a thread w crooks and ponzi schemes....

[free123cc]

personally i feel the hate on BS AND ON JUDAH SPINNER/BLACKROCK went on for too long. however its different being a "influencer" who was advertising for a somewhat questionable financial investment....sorry but if u r a influencer then these things are part of the territlory, and if u cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen. on the other hand, wth did ira zlotowitz do or say wrong???

to explain about judah spinner/BlackRock - there has never been any proof or any accusation that he stole money or tricked anyone. yes there was some pretty big inconsistencies in his statements/reporting etc. it shouldve been about raising awareness that before investing in blackrock do alot more due diligece than usual and ask these specific questions to protect yourself. however in ended up (here and escpecially on watsapp) going down a rabbit hole about how much of a crook judah spinner is etc....totally ruined the mans reputation. we easily couldve protected ppl from throwing money at blackrock unless they do super intense due diligence while not ruining a mans reputation, and destroying him...

honestly i think the oilam was so upset over the past few scams and ponzi schemes and finally felt they had a punching bag to get out all thier anger on...

[Onefishtwofish]

a "influencer" who was advertising for a somewhat questionable financial investment....sorry but if u r a influencer then these things are part of the territlory, and if u cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

That's what I'm trying to get to. I'm not affiliated with bs or js at all. Neither do I have 250k lying around. But questions sure, no problem. In fact, thankfully there were questions posed that caused BS to realize his mistake in promoting such a thing. Hopefully he learned his lesson. However the hate continued towards him and honestly if you were in such a position would you act differently?

He posted a video from chofetz chaim about LH yesterday. As soon as the conversation goes personal to attack someone - that's already too much. I don't want to quote some ppl on the forums about what they think of him. But I think it went way too far.

[aygart]

to explain about judah spinner/BlackRock - there has never been any proof or any accusation that he stole money or tricked anyone. yes there was some pretty big inconsistencies in his statements/reporting etc. it shouldve been about raising awareness that before investing in blackrock do alot more due diligece than usual and ask these specific questions to protect yourself. however in ended up (here and escpecially on watsapp) going down a rabbit hole about how much of a crook judah spinner is etc....totally ruined the mans reputation. we easily couldve protected ppl from throwing money at blackrock unless they do super intense due diligence while not ruining a mans reputation, and destroying him...

honestly i think the oilam was so upset over the past few scams and ponzi schemes and finally felt they had a punching bag to get out all thier anger on...

Can you show me where anyone here went down a rabbit hole about him being a crook?

[Afrages6]

if you want to ask questions and discuss his business and not just bash him, open a new dedicated thread to the viability of Gparencys business model, not throw him in here w accusations of using the community as easy money for his company and group him together in discussions with weinstein and a bunch of other crooks...

So failed 1031 exchanges can be here but talking about a company that’s losing tons of money can’t?

[JMHO]

So failed 1031 exchanges can be here but talking about a company that’s losing tons of money can’t?

Have you ever been involved in a start up?
Or gone into something that doesn't anticipate making money on day one?

[Euclid]

But for BS the hate is ok?...
Just wondering.

BS has a track record of playing fast and loose with facts. Been going on for years, which culminated in this Blackbird incident that *potentially* could have caused a major loss of money to many people (as I stated above - I don't believe JS is a crook, just someone who's green and inexperienced).

Him crying victim here is just comical.

Anyone who has seen his previous years worth of content knows what I'm talking about. There wasn't a particular incident that I'm referring to - it's the constant misrepresentation and misconstruing of real life. We know influencers typically aren't the most truthful (Dan aside ), but he took it to new levels.

[lcm]

This thread's name is about doing due diligence, which there seems to be an agreement the one should do their due diligence even in this case, like every deal.

Now, if the thread is about bashing people, then maybe the thread should be renamed.

[Alexsei]

IZ is a very respected person
IZ has a very successful track record
IZ will never scam anyone out of money
IZ can never make mistakes
IZ will never fail.

Therefore you should invest with IZ