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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #80 on: April 11, 2023, 01:11:25 AM »
not bad, took 2 whole days before this turned into a halacha convo.

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #81 on: April 11, 2023, 02:13:22 AM »
not bad, took 2 whole days before this turned into a halacha convo.

CV is on vacation. He always makes these things about halacha.
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2023, 09:21:48 AM »
(at least the matzah/cake meal issue) has a source in the gemara/ tur. See chochmas Shlomo O"C 463:3
Pretty sure the חכמת שלמה has an issue with potato starch as well for the same reason.

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2023, 09:56:44 AM »
Pretty sure the חכמת שלמה has an issue with potato starch as well for the same reason.
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #84 on: April 11, 2023, 10:08:00 AM »
A concept perhaps, but what were they actually eating? Hillel’s sandwich was definitely a Laffah. You can’t quite be כרוך a cracker.
Who says it was the matzah being wrapped? Maybe it was the marror
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2023, 10:14:43 AM »
that's correct
Also with pretty much all KFP alternatives, see what he says in תס״ז סעיף ח regarding rum.

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2023, 10:22:09 AM »
Who says it was the matzah being wrapped? Maybe it was the marror

Interesting, wouldn’t we wrap the marror outside too?
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2023, 12:15:27 PM »
A concept perhaps, but what were they actually eating? Hillel’s sandwich was definitely a Laffah. You can’t quite be כרוך a cracker.
When did Matza change from laffah to cracker?
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2023, 12:26:48 PM »
When did Matza change from laffah to cracker?
IIRC it is mentioned in the Rosh
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #91 on: April 11, 2023, 01:27:40 PM »
If you needed to stop eating gebrokst then which foods would you miss?

Women who ate gebrokst and then married into a family that doesn't can write from experience.

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Mezonos and pancakes. Fluff up and taste really close to the real thing.


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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #92 on: April 11, 2023, 01:52:15 PM »
Mezonos and pancakes. Fluff up and taste really close to the real thing.

davka pancakes don't need to be gebrokts to be the real thing

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #93 on: April 11, 2023, 01:59:32 PM »
Mezonos and pancakes. Fluff up and taste really close to the real thing.

Recipe?
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #94 on: April 12, 2023, 04:16:48 PM »
I have the same without eating gebrokts. ;)
in that case its a chumra dasa lidei kula.

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #95 on: April 14, 2023, 02:30:45 AM »
in that case its a chumra dasa lidei kula.
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #96 on: April 14, 2023, 05:00:34 AM »
???
making kiddush on a reviis of wine/grape juice is a kula. i assumed thats what you meant regarding making kiddush w/o gebrochts or washing.

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #97 on: April 14, 2023, 06:41:41 AM »
making kiddush on a reviis of wine/grape juice is a kula. i assumed thats what you meant regarding making kiddush w/o gebrochts or washing.

Drinking an additional reviis for makom seudah isn’t a kula though
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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #98 on: April 14, 2023, 08:13:29 AM »
Drinking an additional reviis for makom seudah isn’t a kula though
It is according to many.
https://www.star-k.org/articles/kashrus-kurrents/649/the-halachic-guide-to-kiddush/
Seudah
a. Ideally, the seudah consists of bread.  Typically, following Kiddush one washes and recites Hamotzi on lechem mishne (two loaves).  This constitutes Kiddush B’Makom seudah, as the seudah follows Kiddush.
b.  If one does not eat bread (e.g. at a simcha in shul after davening), one may eat a food containing chamaishis minei dagan (five special grains including wheat, oats, etc.) upon which the brocha of Mezonos is recited.  Ideally, the food should be pas haba’a b’kisnin (e.g. cake, cookies or crackers).  However, the “seudah” may consist of other Mezonos products, such as Yerushalmi kugel or pasta salad.  In these cases, a regular seudahs Shabbos with lechem mishne must be eaten later.
c. B’sha’as hadechak, if one is ill and cannot eat grain products for Kiddush B’Makom seudah, one can drink a revi’is of wine or grape juice to fulfill this condition.

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Re: Which gebrokst foods would you miss?
« Reply #99 on: April 14, 2023, 08:22:08 AM »
It is according to many.
https://www.star-k.org/articles/kashrus-kurrents/649/the-halachic-guide-to-kiddush/
Seudah
a. Ideally, the seudah consists of bread.  Typically, following Kiddush one washes and recites Hamotzi on lechem mishne (two loaves).  This constitutes Kiddush B’Makom seudah, as the seudah follows Kiddush.
b.  If one does not eat bread (e.g. at a simcha in shul after davening), one may eat a food containing chamaishis minei dagan (five special grains including wheat, oats, etc.) upon which the brocha of Mezonos is recited.  Ideally, the food should be pas haba’a b’kisnin (e.g. cake, cookies or crackers).  However, the “seudah” may consist of other Mezonos products, such as Yerushalmi kugel or pasta salad.  In these cases, a regular seudahs Shabbos with lechem mishne must be eaten later.
c. B’sha’as hadechak, if one is ill and cannot eat grain products for Kiddush B’Makom seudah, one can drink a revi’is of wine or grape juice to fulfill this condition.
He doesn’t have any source for this. He is mistaken.