Author Topic: United Tel Aviv flight returns to NY after Israeli passenger fights with cre (Read 2785 times)

tavster · « **on:** April 23, 2023, 10:16:39 AM »

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-740029

EliJelly · « **Reply #1 on:** April 23, 2023, 08:43:26 PM »

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sjhb5szq3

Why is it accepted to return and punish hundreds of people because the crew wants to "fix" one moron when there's no violence involved?? Continue with your way and have the guy arrested and put on your no fly list upon arrival. Flight was rescheduled for the next night and I'm sure the passengers were fuming over this decision.

JACKBLUE · « **Reply #2 on:** April 23, 2023, 11:42:05 PM »

Quote from: EliJelly on April 23, 2023, 08:43:26 PM

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sjhb5szq3

Why is it accepted to return and punish hundreds of people because the crew wants to "fix" one moron when there's no violence involved?? Continue with your way and have the guy arrested and put on your no fly list upon arrival. Flight was rescheduled for the next night and I'm sure the passengers were fuming over this decision.

And will cost the airline an arm and a leg in compensation.

Dan · « **Reply #3 on:** April 23, 2023, 11:49:14 PM »

Quote from: JACKBLUE on April 23, 2023, 11:42:05 PM

And will cost the airline an arm and a leg in compensation.

Israeli compensation applies in these cases?

moko · « **Reply #4 on:** April 24, 2023, 12:08:42 AM »

Darn hareidim

Alexsei · « **Reply #5 on:** April 24, 2023, 03:14:01 AM »

Quote from: EliJelly on April 23, 2023, 08:43:26 PM

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sjhb5szq3

Why is it accepted to return and punish hundreds of people because the crew wants to "fix" one moron when there's no violence involved?? Continue with your way and have the guy arrested and put on your no fly list upon arrival. Flight was rescheduled for the next night and I'm sure the passengers were fuming over this decision.

They wanted to lock him up in the lavatory but they were all in use

iambarry · « **Reply #6 on:** April 24, 2023, 07:02:27 AM »

Quote from: tavster on April 23, 2023, 10:16:39 AM

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-740029

Same story with a little more info (and a not-so-informative video clip) on Ynet:
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sjhb5szq3

AsherO · « **Reply #7 on:** April 24, 2023, 08:40:16 AM »

Quote from: Dan on April 23, 2023, 11:49:14 PM

Israeli compensation applies in these cases?

Hard to say because the law might or might not apply to this particular flight.

Is it considered a delayed or cancelled flight if it took off on time? Do the circumstances of the return to NY count as “special circumstances” to exempt the airline?

There doesn’t seem to be anything in the airline about diversion or about the flight taking off within the prescribed time window to not be considered a delay, but arriving late. (The only discussion about arrival time in the destination is about replacement flights, if the replacement flight arrived within x hours of the originally scheduled flight the airline would be exempt from paying compensation).

Here’s the full text of the law:
https://www.elal.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/About-ELAL/Passengers-Rights/Aviation-Services-Law-EN-030918.pdf

JACKBLUE · « **Reply #8 on:** April 24, 2023, 09:14:10 AM »

Quote from: Dan on April 23, 2023, 11:49:14 PM

Israeli compensation applies in these cases?

I wonder.

DealJew · « **Reply #9 on:** April 24, 2023, 11:33:27 AM »

Quote from: Dan on April 23, 2023, 11:49:14 PM

Israeli compensation applies in these cases?

IMO the airlines will claim that it wasn't their fault and they aren't required to pay. It would require a HUCA situation to get it out of them.

NTorch · « **Reply #10 on:** April 24, 2023, 11:40:27 AM »

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United plane turns back 3 hours into flight after a 'disruptive' passenger sat in a crew seat and got in a shouting match with a flight attendant, report says

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A United Airlines flight from Newark to Tel Aviv turned back three hours after it took off.

United Airlines told Insider that the plane turned back because of a "disruptive passenger."

One eyewitness said the passenger got in a shouting match over sitting in a crew area.

A United Airlines flight from Newark Liberty International Airport to Ben Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv, Israel, turned back hours after it took off following an incident involving an unruly passenger.

United Airlines Flight 90, which departed from Newark early Sunday morning, reversed course about three hours into its journey and headed back to the US, according to the flight-tracking website FlightRadar 24.

According to an eyewitness, who spoke to the Israeli media outlet Ynet, the disagreement was over an Israeli man choosing to sit in a seat assigned to crew members while he waited to use the bathroom.

The eyewitness, identified only as Sholomit, said a flight attendant and the seated passenger then got into a shouting match.

"Crew members told him that if he did not return to his seat, the plane would be turned back to New York," Sholomit said, adding that the passenger did not appear to believe the threat, per Ynet.

A spokesperson for United Airlines confirmed to Insider in an email that the flight returned to Newark due to a "disruptive passenger."

The United Airlines spokesperson said that law enforcement met the aircraft and removed the passenger.

The airline did not answer Insider's follow-up questions about the specifics of the passenger's behavior or why the decision was made to return to Newark.

Passengers onboard only found out that they were returning to Newark by looking at the flight map on their screens, Ynet reported.

A video shared on Twitter by Jeff Hunt, who was on the flight, appeared to show the passenger being escorted off the plane.

Hunt wrote in another Twitter post that the passenger was later seen wandering around the airport "pleading his case."

In a phone conversation with Insider, Hunt said that the passenger was trying to tell people that he hadn't been physical and that the airline's response was an overreaction.

"He just kind of hung around everybody, which was bizarre and bold," Hunt said. "If I was escorted off an airplane I would have hung my head in shame and disappeared, but he spent four hours talking to people."

Once the plane returned to Newark, passengers were disembarked and their trips were postponed.

Hunt said there was a "lot of anger and frustration" from passengers. He added that he and many others waited in line for almost four hours to get hotel vouchers from the airline.

United Airlines said that a new flight was scheduled for Sunday evening so that passengers could make their way to Israel.

In January 2022, Insider reported on another United Airlines flight to Tel Aviv from Newark that turned back mid-flight, after two passengers reportedly assigned themselves seats in business class and "started a riot."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/united-plane-turns-back-3-134724798.html

Yehuda57 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 24, 2023, 01:37:47 PM »

My hunch is that it was indeed an overreaction from both the passenger and crew. The crew seats have no markings that they are for crew members. When you are on a long flight and there are clearly empty seats by the toilets, it's common for people to sit there. I've done it, I've seen many others do it. Why they don't have some sort of "reserved for crew" signage to place on the seats is beyond me, especially with how touchy they get over it. It's never just a simple, "hey, those seats are for crew, please don't sit there." It's always a frantic "THOSE SEATS ARE FOR CREW ONLY!"

JACKBLUE · « **Reply #12 on:** April 24, 2023, 01:40:33 PM »

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=132977.msg2705975#msg2705975

Danlover111 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 24, 2023, 05:11:16 PM »

What happend last night?
14 hour delay

ad120 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 24, 2023, 07:15:38 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on April 24, 2023, 01:37:47 PM

My hunch is that it was indeed an overreaction from both the passenger and crew. The crew seats have no markings that they are for crew members. When you are on a long flight and there are clearly empty seats by the toilets, it's common for people to sit there. I've done it, I've seen many others do it. Why they don't have some sort of "reserved for crew" signage to place on the seats is beyond me, especially with how touchy they get over it. It's never just a simple, "hey, those seats are for crew, please don't sit there." It's always a frantic "THOSE SEATS ARE FOR CREW ONLY!"

+1000
They always make a big stink and overreact.
Although, recently on a LOT flight, there was signage- reserved for crew.

thaber · « **Reply #15 on:** April 24, 2023, 07:23:19 PM »

Why everyone is so much more charitable to United than AA as far as blaming the airline in these cases is beyond me.

yelped · « **Reply #16 on:** April 24, 2023, 07:24:38 PM »

Quote from: thaber on April 24, 2023, 07:23:19 PM

Why everyone is so much more charitable to United than AA as far as blaming the airline in these cases is beyond me.

FAs definitely should not be given the power to divert a flight for things like this.

Yehuda25 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 24, 2023, 08:18:29 PM »

Quote from: yelped on April 24, 2023, 07:24:38 PM

FAs definitely should not be given the power to divert a flight for things like this.

this

EliJelly · « **Reply #18 on:** April 24, 2023, 08:43:14 PM »

https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/uniteds-flight-israel-spent-8-hours-flying-nowhere/#comment-1629067

AsherO · « **Reply #19 on:** April 24, 2023, 09:35:54 PM »

Quote from: yelped on April 24, 2023, 07:24:38 PM

FAs definitely should not be given the power to divert a flight for things like this.

Where should the line be drawn? Who should make the call in the moment? My guess is the pilot makes the call, not the FAs (who probably advised the pilot they felt unsafe and/or couldn’t safely serve the flight).