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Each category contains some general advice, a list of brands that are good, and a price. In general, when shopping, you should be able to find that price (or for expensive drives, close to it). If you find a sale that can beat the price, post this below. Feel free to edit the wiki, of course. Note that the useable space on all drives comes out to less than the advertised amount (technical reasons for this). As such, if you think you will fill the entire drive capacity, buy one size higher.

FLASH DRIVES – Last updated 5/20/24, with price raises / falls from 06/2023 pricing
Flash drives come in broad USB speed categories: 2.0 (almost never worth buying), one of the threes (3.0, 3.1, 3.2 Gen 1, 3.2 Gen 2 and 3.2 gen 2x2 – some of these are the same and all of them are almost irrelevant seeing as the port you plug them into and what you are copying from/to will also limit the speed), or the brand-new USB 4.0 which doesn’t seem to exist yet.
They also come in three broad physical categories (and some niche ones I will not discuss): USB A (the familiar one used since forever), USB C (the newish one that also charges your phones unless you live in Israel), or both. I will also price these three categories separately.
Lastly, flash drives are divided by speed. I will categorize the slow ones as having an average speed of 80-150MB per second, faster ones as up to 400MBps, and the ones specifically engineered to be really fast (if your port and destination support that). These last ones will be listed by maximum rated speed (usually not achievable in real life), but I have no personal experience with these .
Tier 1 brands include PNY, Sandisk, Kingston, Samsung, HP, and some others. Tier 2 brands (which are really all great anyway and I wouldn’t hesitate to buy ‘em) are Team (or Team Group these days), Micro Center (make sure it isn’t 2.0 they are selling), Silicon Power, Amazon Basics, Transcend, Patriot, and Orico (new on the market but I would buy em). If no mention is made of the brand, it is Tier 1.
I made no allowance for drives made of metal versus plastic. If that's your thing, good luck.
USB A ONLY:
16GB: 32GB drives are equal or cheaper.
32GB: $4.5 (+1.5) for Tier 2 brand, $7 (+2) for Tier 1
64GB: $5 (+1) for Tier 2 brand, $7.5 (+2.5) for Tier 1. $13 for Samsung 300MBps.
128GB: $9 for Tier 1 (+2.5 from T2, +1 from T1). $17 (+2) for Samsung 400MBps.
256GB: $14.5 (+4.5) for Tier 2, $15.2 (+2.2) for Tier 1. $26 (+1) for Samsung 400MBps, $27 for TEAM's 1GBps, $33 for Kingston's 1GBps (-12).
512GB: $33. $35 for TEAM's 1GBps, $46 for Sandisk's 400MBps, $48 for Patriot's 600Mbps drive, $54 (-11) for Kingston's 1GBps.
TB: $70 T2 regular. $75 (+1) for Team's superfast model, $86 (+16) for Kingston’s 1GBps.
2TB: $160: Silicon Power's 1.05GBps drive.
USB C ONLY:
32GB: $4.5 (T2), $7 (T1).
64GB: $7 (+1.5, T2), $8 (+2.5, T1), $14 (+3) for Samsung's 400MBps.
128GB: $10, $18 for Samsung's 400MBps, $29 for ADATA's 1GBps.
256GB: $16 (-2, T1), $27 (+1) for Sandisk's 400MBps. $30 (+5) for Kingston's 1GBps.
512GB: $37 (-1, though this also supports USB A). $50 for ADATA's 1GBps, $60 for Kingston's.
TB: $86 (+16) for Kingston’s 1GBps.
2TB: $145 for ADATA's 1GBps drive.

BOTH A AND C:
32GB: $5 (+2) for Tier 2, $10 (+1.21) for Tier 1.
64GB: $12 (+5 from T2, +2.25 from T1).
128GB: $12 (-3).
256GB: $21 (-1). Silicon Power's 1.05GBps drive for $30.
512GB: $37.
TB: $90 (+7). $105 for Transcend's 1.05GBps drive.

EXTERNAL HARD DRIVES Updated 5/20/24, price changes from 06/23.
These days you should only be getting USB 3 (lemineihem) drives. You should expect a minimum of 2 years warranty and ideally 3 (the days of 5-year warranties have not ended, so some drives have those). Even if you have a warranty, it will not save your data, so make sure you keep it in at least two places. When it comes to spinning drives, it is a matter of WHEN it will break, not IF.
Portable drives (2.5”) will be powered by your computer. Desktop (3.5”) drives must, in addition to your computer, be plugged into an outlet to run.
Tier 1 drive brands are Toshiba, Western Digital (WD), and Seagate. Fantom drives are probably fine, too, as they’ve been around for a while and haven’t gone out of business. Silicon Power is definitely Tier 2, but again, is probably fine.
(Drive capacities with the best value in that approximate price tier are noted with parenthesis listing the cost per TB.)
Note that you may be able to buy internal 3.5" drives for a much better price. I will not be indexing these, though. To these, you add an enclosure from a reliable company (ORICO, Sabrent, OWC are some good ones), and you have an external drive for less. I will post when there is a good sale on these.

2.5” PORTABLE DRIVES
1TB: $52 (+8 from T2, +6 from T1).
2TB: $60 (+4)
3TB: Not on sale for less than 4TB. This makes sense because these haven't been manufactured in a while.
4TB: $90 (+5). ($22.5/GB)
5TB: $120 (+21)

3.5” DESKTOP DRIVES
6TB: $115 (pickup at Micro Center only), $132 (+17) shipped.
8TB: $140 (+5).
10TB: 14TB for $200 (+30).
12TB: 14TB for $200 (+10).
14TB: $200 (+10). (14.28/GB, the best non-Fantom value)
16TB: $260 (+40).
18TB: Fantom brand for $248 (-15, best value if you buy Fantom at 13.78/GB), $300 T1 (+20).
20TB: $360 (+60).
22TB: $410 (+30).
24TB (2 12TB drives in RAID): $520 for pickup at Micro Center, 550 (-210) shipped.
36TB (2 18TB drives in RAID): $920 (-280).
44TB (2 22TB drives in RAID): $1200.

INTERNAL LAPTOP DRIVES – Last updated 4/23/23
As of this date, 2.5" internal SSDs are cheaper or close to the same price. So don't buy one of these - even if it is a few bucks more, it is worth it. UPDATE: This might not be true anymore but I still advise SSDs instead.
Brands: Toshiba, Seagate, Western Digital (WD).

SSDs: GENERAL INFORMATION
Note: this post has updated prices as of December 2024: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=133020.msg2893945#msg2893945
SSDs come in two primary form factors: 2.5” 7mm drives that replace hard drives with an identical fit, and M2 drives that plug directly into the motherboard. M2 drives can be rated for SATA III or for NVME (also known as PCIe) in 3.0 to 5.0 speeds (which are backwards compatible - you can plug a 5.0 drive into a 3.0 slot or vice versa). Some SLOTS support both SATA III and NVME – most don’t. M2 drives are 22mm wide and come in various lengths – the standard being 80mm (this is called M2 2280), but many computers – especially cheaper ones – will have 42mm drives inside. As 98% of systems support 2280, I am not listing other lengths here. Post if you need advice regarding one of these.
Although it would seem that it makes sense to buy the fastest drive your computer will support, the newer drives run much hotter than the older ones. My advice is to focus on capacity first, and after that to get the fastest you can afford. It shouldn’t be necessary for 80% of buyers to get faster than the non-budget NVME 3.0 drives, and even the budget ones will be pretty fast. If you need help, feel free to post your model number here.
Top brands include Acer, PNY, Samsung, Timetec, Sandisk, HP, Kingston, MSI, Crucial, Mushkin, Intel (now Solidigm), Sabrent, Biwin and Western Digital. Tier 2 brands (fine for cheap drives but maybe avoid if you are getting a big one that is expensive) include Team Group, Silicon Power, Inland (this is Micro Center’s brand), Addlink, Patriot, Lexar, Orico. Note that even Tier 1 companies make cheap drives and good drives, with a wide difference in performance and even longevity.
Specs that matter include the warranty – compare drives regarding the TBW rating to determine the life expectancy of the drive. There is a big difference between a cheap drive rated for 300TBW and an expensive one rated for 1500TBW. Users generally don’t come close to this, but if you write large files on to the drive constantly, don’t get one with a low TBW rating.
Speed is the next thing to compare. SATA III drives are as close to identical as not to matter. NVME 3.0 drives can be budget (1500MBps to 2300MBPs) or faster (in the range of 3000MBps). NVME 4.0 drives are sometimes barely faster than 3.0 (3500MBps, which I just list in the 3.0 section), or 4000-5000MBps, which I call budget 4.0. Or the classy, expensive ones can go as high as the 7000MBps range. Don’t get these last ones without a heat sink or some other way to keep them cool.
If a drive is ruined by a lack of a cache, I don’t list it here or I downgrade it a tier. If blazing fast speed is the only reason you are shopping, this list may not be for you. Post with your situation instead and we will try to help.
Note from November 2023 update: I reorganized internal M2 SSDs, combining 3.0, 4.0 and 5.0 drives in one entry by size. This is because newer drives are often cheaper than older drives yet are backwards compatible, so in some instances it is unnecessary to list the prices of slower drives. Two exceptions: the 2.5" drives (a different size), and the SATA M2 drives, the slot that takes them often will not support 3.0 or newer drives.
Price differences since the last update in parenthesis.


INTERNAL SSDs: 2.5” SATA III drives Last updated: 05/24/24 (Previous update: 02/24)
128GB - $14.5 (-1.5) for Tier 2, $16 (-1) for Tier 1.
250/256GB: $20 (=) for Tier 1.
480/500/512GB: $28 (-3) for Tier 2. $33 (=) for Tier 1.
960GB/1TB: $53 (-3, T2) $59 (+3, T1).
2TB: $95 (-5) for Tier 2, $97 (-9) for Tier 1.
4TB: $193 (+1, T2), $240 (-20, T1).
8TB: $595 (+68 - was $250 less just nine months ago...).
16TB: Teamgroup EX2 (T2) back in stock for $1800, $100 more than it was when last in stock.

INTERNAL SSDs: M2 2280 with a SATA III rating Last updated: 05/24/24 (Previous update: 02/24)
128GB - $17 (=) (T1)
250/256GB: $22 (=) (T1)
500/512GB: $33 (+1) for Tier 1.
TB: $56 (+1, T1).
2TB: $107 (+1, Tier 1).

INTERNAL SSDs: M2 2280 Last updated: 05/24/24 (Previous update: 02/24)
Each price gets a speed rating.
3- refers to NVME 3.0 at speeds not exceeding 2.2GBps read speed.
3+ are speeds in excess of 3GBps. Consider the former if you will be installing in hot environments, as they run less hot.
4- refers to NVME 4.0 drives that run at 3.0 speeds (ie less than 3.5GBps). They do run hotter than 3.0 drives, though.
4 refers to 4.0 drives that run not faster than 5GBps.
4+ refers to drives that run up to 7.4GBps. Strongly consider getting heat sinks for any drive such as this or better.
5 refers to 5.0 drives that run at around 10GBps.
5+ refers to 5.0 drives running between 11.6GBps and 12.4GBps. Now added "faster 5+" for drives that run up to 14GBps.

128GB: 3-: $18 (=) for Tier 2. There are no other options.

256GB: 3- $23 (T2, -1), $26 (T1 +2). 4-: $30 (=) (T2). 3+: $32 (T1, =). 4: $47 (+9, T1). Better 4: $50 (=) (T1).

512GB: 3-: $36 (+3 for what was 4-, T2). 3: $38 (T1). 4-: $40 (+7, T1). 4: $44 (=, T1). 4+: $47 (-8, T2), $55 (-5, T1).

1TB: 4-: $55 (-1, T1). 4: $65 (+9, T2), $68 (+3, T1). 4+: $67 (+8, T2), $72 (+5, T1). 5+: $143 (T1, +1), faster for $171 (T2) or $173 (T1).

2TB: 3-: $105 (T2, = to cheapest price, but that was 4- last time). 4: $+: $109 (T2, but last time was 4-), $118 (T1). 3+ T1: $115 (+5 if you would have only gotten T1 last time, though that was 4). 4+: $115 (-9, T2), $120 (-7, T1). 5: $240 (=, T1). 5+: $241 300 (-59, T1). Faster 5+: $250 (still $50 less than 5+ was last time).

4TB: 4+: $200 (T2, +2 but last time was 4), $220 (T1, = to before). For those who need drives that don't run so hot (Otzar Hachochma users in cheap laptops, for instance), 3+ is $237. 5+: $406 (-94, T1). Faster 5+ is $470 (T2) and $485 (T1).

8TB: 4+: $800 (T2, -15), $890 (T1, +75). I haven't seen any 5.0 drives yet, and the 3.0s that were seem to have disappeared.

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Starting this thread because I think there is a need. I will try to update prices around once a month. Use the thread to post deals that are better than the prices in the wiki. Check the wiki if you think you see a good deal, or to know how much you should expect to spend when you need something.
Also post if you are trying to find a particular price and can't find it - you may be right, but more likely you forgot to check somewhere.
I can't do SD cards - I know nothing about the ratings and use cases to be able to sort them by price. If anyone wants to step up and edit the wiki, feel free.
(P.S. I will no longer be posting in the thread I started regarding large internal drives.)
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Lowered 14TB external drives to $190 (Newegg), 4TB external drive to $85 (Micro Center).
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B&H has PNY drives (no good prices) and Kingston drives (some) on sale.
Some highlights:
Kingston DataTraveler Max is essentially an SSD in flash drive form. It uses USB-C OR USB A (choose the correct one) with USB 3.2, and if your computer supports it and your drive is fast enough, it is rated to write to at 900MBps and read from at 1GBps.
1TB: $70. 256GB: $25. (512GB not on sale.) The 256GB is around $20 less than usual for a flash drive this fast, and the TB is around $35 less.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1714130-REG/kingston_dtmaxa_1tb_1tb_datatraveler_max_usb.html (Click the options to choose capacity and USB shape.)

Regular 256GB drive is $13, a savings of around $3. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1595700-REG/kingston_dtx_256gb_datatraveler_exodia_256gb.html
USB C 64GB drive is $5.50, a savings of around $3. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1742308-REG/kingston_dt80m_64gb_64gb_datatraveler_80_m.html
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One 1TB SSD on sale today for $38 ($53 -$15 with code SSCS328): WD Green SN350. A few bucks cheaper than the cheapest Tier 1 at these speeds, but you also don't usually get 100TBW warranties at this price range. This drive in particular was designed with longevity in mind, not that it is slow. Compare with Intel's drive which is also on sale today for $42 - but the warranty is only 370TBW - 1/3rd of the WD.
https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-1tb-green-sn350-nvme/p/N82E16820250202?Item=N82E16820250202&cm_sp=Dailydeal_SS-_-20-250-202-_-05032023
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As always, post or PM with any questions.
8TB internal 3.5" drive on sale for $35 less than an external drive: $99.
Seagate BarraCuda 8TB Internal Hard Drive HDD – 3.5 Inch Sata 6 Gb/s 5400 RPM 256MB Cache for Computer Desktop PC – Frustration Free Packaging (ST8000DM004) ($239.99 )


To this you would add this $24 enclosure (after the coupon):
ORICO USB 3.0 External Hard Drive Enclosure for 3.5/2.5 Inch SATA Hard Drives/SSD Up to 16 TB, 3.5'' Tool-Free HDD Enclosure with 12V/2A Power Supply and UASP Acceleration (3588US3) ($99.99 )



Once I am posting, these are my go-to enclosures for the other types of internal drives. Something along these lines is also necessary when swapping a laptop's internal drive with a new one.
For 2.5" laptop drives and 2.5" SSDs: $7.20
ORICO 2.5'' Hard Drive Enclosure USB 3.0 to SATA for 7/9.5 mm HDD SSD External HDD Enclosure Up to 6TB with UASP Tool-Free Laptop Computer Hard Drive Case-HM25U3 ($69.99 )



For M2 SATA or NVME drives (Type C): $27
SABRENT USB 3.2 10Gbps Type C Tool Free Enclosure for M.2 PCIe NVMe and SATA SSDs (EC-SNVE) ($49.99 )



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This is a fantastic thread with a fascinating wiki. Thank you so much @mevinyavin for spending the time to compile the information! The overviews are really informative, and I got a really clear idea of what I'm looking at when I buy a drive.

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A review of PNY's superfast SSD flash drive just came out. Note that the reviewer had a computer with a port fast enough and a SSD inside fast enough to keep up, and you may not have those.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/1804293/pny-pro-elite-v2-usb-stick-review.html
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$55 - 1TB PCIe gen 4 WD SN770 drive. Excellent value if your computer supports the standard.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1702059-REG/wd_wdbbdl0010bnc_wrsn_1tb_wd_black_sn770_nvme.html
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$55 - 1TB PCIe gen 4 WD SN770 drive. Excellent value if your computer supports the standard.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1702059-REG/wd_wdbbdl0010bnc_wrsn_1tb_wd_black_sn770_nvme.html
My computer is set to arrive tomorrow (Dell is as slow as a turtle). I didn't buy any memory yet because I wanted to make sure it'll fit before purchasing.

This seems like a very good option though. Do you think this is a better suggestion than the one you gave before?
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My computer is set to arrive tomorrow (Dell is as slow as a turtle). I didn't buy any memory yet because I wanted to make sure it'll fit before purchasing.

This seems like a very good option though. Do you think this is a better suggestion than the one you gave before?
No idea.
1. Prices fluctuate constantly. You check when you are actually ready to click the purchase button. (Ask me then.)
2. I retain no memory of any conversations I have relating to my computer gemach. When the time comes to buy, ask me from scratch (ie this is my computer, what do I buy for it).
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Crucial P3 NVME 3.0 drive, 4TB on sale for $190 (cheapest price ever), if you are a My Best Buy member logged in.
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@mevinyavin Thank so much for this, it's incredible!

I was wondering if you can dumb this down a bit? Why when I put a 256GB flash drive in do I only get 234GB of usable space? I was hoping to copy 250GB of data but I'm out of luck now.

Google led me to this https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/iqaa4p/why_does_a_256gb_flash_drive_not_have_256gb_free/ but there's a bunch of replies that are not consistent.

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@mevinyavin Thank so much for this, it's incredible!

I was wondering if you can dumb this down a bit? Why when I put a 256GB flash drive in do I only get 234GB of usable space? I was hoping to copy 250GB of data but I'm out of luck now.

Google led me to this https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/iqaa4p/why_does_a_256gb_flash_drive_not_have_256gb_free/ but there's a bunch of replies that are not consistent.

TIA!
This looks right
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Advertised prices are calculated in Gigabytes which is using our normal numbering system, base 10. However, computers count in binary which is base 2 and are technically not Gigabytes, they are technically Gibibytes. 256 Gigabytes = ~238 Gibibytes, and your computer ends up using a bit for formatting and what not.
https://www.lifewire.com/drive-storage-capacities-833435
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@mevinyavin Thank so much for this, it's incredible!

I was wondering if you can dumb this down a bit? Why when I put a 256GB flash drive in do I only get 234GB of usable space? I was hoping to copy 250GB of data but I'm out of luck now.

Google led me to this https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/iqaa4p/why_does_a_256gb_flash_drive_not_have_256gb_free/ but there's a bunch of replies that are not consistent.

TIA!
Perhaps I should have mentioned this in the wiki. IY"H after Shavuos I'll put in a bit of info about it.
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