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[pointer]

Correct.

Right bottom paragraph

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=48328&st=&pgnum=52

Interesting.
Still calls those people "Hatoiim".

[mevinyavin]

Once we mispronounce letters, such as equating chof and ches or equating aleph and ayin, we can get into even more trouble when misemphasizing.
Bentching - I think this is a common one. וְזַרְעוֹ מְבַקֶּשׁ לָחֶם. What happens when it is pronounced melira? It sounds like לָכם.
I had once when I heard megillah, by גַּם אֲנִי וְנַעֲרֹתַי אָצוּם כֵּן  - he said אָצוּם meliel. I was wondering if I was yotzei or not... (Lemaaseh some ladies in my cousin's building needed to hear the megilla so I volunteered to lein it for them.)

[aygart]

Once we mispronounce letters, such as equating chof and ches or equating aleph and ayin, we can get into even more trouble when misemphasizing.
Bentching - I think this is a common one. וְזַרְעוֹ מְבַקֶּשׁ לָחֶם. What happens when it is pronounced melira? It sounds like לָכם.
I had once when I heard megillah, by גַּם אֲנִי וְנַעֲרֹתַי אָצוּם כֵּן  - he said אָצוּם meliel. I was wondering if I was yotzei or not... (Lemaaseh some ladies in my cousin's building needed to hear the megilla so I volunteered to lein it for them.)

If you pronounce לחם as מלרע It means to make war

[yelped]

No one is going to mention חתן וכלה here?

[jye]

I imagine OP was referring to the fact that they pronounce virtually all words מלעיל, when in reality most words in לשון הקודש should be pronounced מלרע.

I would add that this is a mistake that much of the litvish community makes as well (likely due to the fact that English is always מלעיל), but maybe it’s not quite as pronounced. It’s sometimes surprising to hear how people who are otherwise very learned can mispronounce important things like קריאת שמע.

I don’t know if it’s an issue in Halacha, as I think I once heard that these things are not problematic if society pronounces them that way (anyone know a מקור for that?), but I find it surprising nonetheless.

Can anyone explain why מלעיל is pronounced מלרע, with the emphasis on the last syllable?

[imayid2]

No one is going to mention חתן וכלה here?

I don't have a Heichal Habracha handy but you should look up what he says regarding Dikduk and חתן וחלה.

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20837&st=&pgnum=124

Interesting! Thanks!

[yelped]

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20837&st=&pgnum=124

Interesting! Thanks!

Yup, this is what I meant. There are other pieces in his Sefarim with more detail on his shita regarding didkduk. I don't remember exactly where. Another example he gives is פלא.

[imayid2]

Any source that it is improper to whistle?

[ari3]

Any source that it is improper to whistle?

My grandfather used to say "a yiddishe yingel feift nisht" but that probably isn't what you are looking for.

[EliJelly]

Any source that it is improper to whistle?

https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=52986#p=167&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr=

[imayid2]

Apparently the Rema felt otherwise because he writes that it's mutar

[EliJelly]

Apparently the Rema felt otherwise because he writes that it's mutar

It's not like he didn't know of this Rema, I guess it wasn't a "goyisha thing" in the times of the Rema

"אשר שנא. מִזְבַּח אֲבָנִים וּמִזְבַּח אֲדָמָה צִוָּה לַעֲשׂוֹת, וְאֶת זוֹ שָׂנֵא, כִּי חֹק הָיְתָה לַכְּנַעֲנִיִּים, וְאַעַ"פִּ שֶׁהָיְתָה אֲהוּבָה לוֹ בִּימֵי הָאָבוֹת, עַכְשָׁיו שְׂנֵאָהּ מֵאַחַר שֶׁעֲשָׂאוּהָ אֵלּוּ חֹק לַעֲבוֹדָה זָרָה"
(Similar to what they said about your avatar when they start removing it from the shuls a century ago )

[imayid2]

It's not like he didn't know of this Rema, I guess it wasn't a "goyisha thing" in the times of the Rema

"אשר שנא. מִזְבַּח אֲבָנִים וּמִזְבַּח אֲדָמָה צִוָּה לַעֲשׂוֹת, וְאֶת זוֹ שָׂנֵא, כִּי חֹק הָיְתָה לַכְּנַעֲנִיִּים, וְאַעַ"פִּ שֶׁהָיְתָה אֲהוּבָה לוֹ בִּימֵי הָאָבוֹת, עַכְשָׁיו שְׂנֵאָהּ מֵאַחַר שֶׁעֲשָׂאוּהָ אֵלּוּ חֹק לַעֲבוֹדָה זָרָה"
(Similar to what they said about your avatar when they start removing it from the shuls a century ago )

Ok, so what makes it Goyish?

[EliJelly]

Ok, so what makes it Goyish?

Gotta check with my grandma again.. Seriously though, you won't get it to fit into halacha-like parameters, if that's what you're looking for, hence the Chaz"I I quoted.

[imayid2]

Gotta check with my grandma again.. Seriously though, you won't get it to fit into halacha-like parameters, if that's what you're looking for, hence the Chaz"I I quoted.

Just trying to understand the reason, and abysmally failing

Here is a real source
מגיד מישרים

[yelped]

Just trying to understand the reason, and abysmally failing

Here is a real source
מגיד מישרים

That's what I remembered seeing. Although, I don't remember seeing it in מגיד מישרים .

[EliJelly]

Just trying to understand the reason, and abysmally failing

Here is a real source
מגיד מישרים

Wow nice. If that's the reason then why do Litvaks care more about whistling than crossing fingers?

[imayid2]

Wow nice. If that's the reason then why do Litvaks care more about whistling than crossing fingers?

I don’t think they care particularly about either one

[EliJelly]

I don’t think they care particularly about either one

I would also think so, but felt otherwise after seeing this post and the likes on it, as well as the story with R"S Shvadron. I guess I was assuming mistakenly.

My grandfather used to say "a yiddishe yingel feift nisht" but that probably isn't what you are looking for.

[imayid2]

as well as the story with R"S Shvadron.

@EliJelly
What’s the story you’re referring to?