Help search and find a mekor (source for Jewish ideas)

[dm123]

Tried looking for a thread where people looking for a mareh makom/source for ideas/statements can ask, didn't seem to be one so here it is

[dm123]

People like where they live

Isn't there a gemara to this effect? Or is that only where they were born and raised?

[dm123]

I think I once heard the idea that a country that expels it's Jews goes into decline, as it loses it's great asset of creative capital, is that an idea that has a source in Jewish thought anywhere? Has anyone else heard it?

[mevinyavin]

Crossposting.

מסכת סוטה דף מז עמוד א

אמר רבי יוחנן, שלשה חינות הן: חן מקום על יושביו, חן אשה על בעלה, חן מקח על מקחו

Yoshvav sounds like present tense dwellers, regardless of past status. Rashi says even if the place is bad.

[dm123]

Thanks @mevinyavin  !

מסכת סוטה דף מז עמוד א

אמר רבי יוחנן, שלשה חינות הן: חן מקום על יושביו, חן אשה על בעלה, חן מקח על מקחו

Yoshvav sounds like present tense dwellers, regardless of past status. Rashi says even if the place is bad.

[dm123]

Crossposting.

Beat me by 8 seconds! 

[Alexsei]

-ChatGPT

[dm123]

-ChatGPT

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[dm123]

-ChatGPT

Q: is there a gemara that people like where they live
A: I'm sorry, but I couldn't find any specific Gemara (a central text of Rabbinic Judaism) that directly addresses the concept of people liking where they live. The Gemara primarily consists of discussions and debates on Jewish law, ethics, and other topics, and it may touch on aspects of communal life and societal dynamics. However, it doesn't contain explicit teachings on personal preferences or subjective experiences regarding where people choose to live.

The Gemara does emphasize the importance of living in a place that enables individuals to fulfill their religious obligations and engage in the study of Torah. It also recognizes the significance of a supportive and vibrant community for spiritual growth and moral development. However, these discussions generally revolve around the religious and communal aspects of living, rather than personal preferences or people's general liking for a specific location.

It is important to note that Jewish thought encompasses a broad range of perspectives and interpretations, and there may be teachings and discussions found in other Jewish texts or commentaries that touch on the topic of people's satisfaction with their place of residence. Exploring Jewish literature and writings on communal life and well-being might provide additional insights into this subject.

Q: but it does in sotah 47

A: I apologize for the confusion in my previous response. You are correct that there is a reference to people liking where they live in the Talmudic tractate Sotah 47a. In that passage, it discusses the importance of living in a place that aligns with one's personal inclinations and nature.

The specific statement in question is as follows (Sotah 47a):

"Rava said: A person should always live in the place he desires, as it is stated: 'Every place upon which the soles of your feet will tread shall be yours' (Deuteronomy 11:24)."

This passage suggests that individuals should ideally reside in a place where they feel comfortable and can flourish, within the bounds of Jewish law and ethical guidelines. It recognizes the importance of personal preference and the potential impact that living in a desired location can have on a person's well-being and fulfillment.

It is important to note that this statement should be understood within its context in the Talmudic discussion. The passage primarily focuses on various aspects of personal choice and lifestyle, rather than specifically addressing the impact of a particular group, such as Jews, on the prosperity or decline of a place.

I apologize for any confusion caused by my previous response, and I appreciate your patience and pointing out the relevant reference in the Talmud.

I rest my case of not wanting to go to ChapGPT with this. For interesting or cute toirelach, sure. It wouldn't be a first (or second) resource for searching for mareh mekomos for me, especially since I can't see where it's coming from.

[Spoon]

Tried looking for a thread where people looking for a mareh makom/source for ideas/statements can ask, didn't seem to be one so here it is

Stack exchange mi yodeya is very good for this type of thing

[Yehudaa]

especially since I can't see where it's coming from.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/27/23739913/chatgpt-ai-lawsuit-avianca-airlines-chatbot-research

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23826751-mata-v-avianca-airlines-affidavit-in-opposition-to-motion?responsive=1&title=1

[dm123]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/27/23739913/chatgpt-ai-lawsuit-avianca-airlines-chatbot-research

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23826751-mata-v-avianca-airlines-affidavit-in-opposition-to-motion?responsive=1&title=1

It seems to have invented the Gemara I posted above, Is that Gemara (or Rava or Devarim - pretty apropos for the amud starting off with lo dubim vlo yaar lol) referenced on 47a?:

The specific statement in question is as follows (Sotah 47a):

"Rava said: A person should always live in the place he desires, as it is stated: 'Every place upon which the soles of your feet will tread shall be yours' (Deuteronomy 11:24)."

Is there any Gemara that says what ChatGPT says? Perhaps some DDF T"C or sleuth can find it but the closest to any such Gemara I found is Avoda Zara 19a, although pretty sure that's a gross misinterpretation at best:

אמר רבא לעולם ילמוד אדם תורה במקום שלבו חפץ

Yes I've seen it make up references in a few fields already.

[S209]

I think I once heard the idea that a country that expels it's Jews goes into decline, as it loses it's great asset of creative capital

You can argue that a country expelling Jews and thus allowing religious persecution is less likely to be liberal, generally benevolent and accepting of science and debate.

[dm123]

You can argue that a country expelling Jews and thus allowing religious persecution is less likely to be liberal, generally benevolent and accepting of science and debate.

I'm looking for a source, not a rationalization or argument.
What is really bothering me is I heard a historian say Spain's Golden Era began in 1492, which if this is true and there's a clear source about it would be interesting to reconcile.

I believe Rabbi Sacks mentioned a similar idea, pretty sure I didn't originally hear it from him, and still curious if there's another/earlier mekor for it.

[Shmobaum]

Tried looking for a thread where people looking for a mareh makom/source for ideas/statements can ask, didn't seem to be one so here it is

It says in the Haggadah that if Hashem wouldn’t take us out of Egypt, we would still be enslaved there today. The question is, how can we say with certainty such a thing if we’ve seen throughout history massive empires come and go?
The answer is, Pharaoh was the only leader smart enough that realized that the secret to a successful and continuous state is the Jews therefore he made sure that not even one Jew could leave Egypt.
Whereas other kings thought that the Jews were the root of their problems and kicked them out or killed them hence they’re only remembered in history books.

[dm123]

It says in the Haggadah that if Hashem wouldn’t take us out of Egypt, we would still be enslaved there today. The question is, how can we say with certainty such a thing if we’ve seen throughout history massive empires come and go?
The answer is, Pharaoh was the only leader smart enough that realized that the secret to a successful and continuous state is the Jews therefore he made sure that not even one Jew could leave Egypt.
Whereas other kings thought that the Jews were the root of their problems and kicked them out or killed them hence they’re only remembered in history books.

Nice. Where's this from?

[Bored Bachur]

Nice. Where's this from?

That's why it's in this thread?

[dm123]

That's why it's in this thread?

Ah thought it was answering this:

I think I once heard the idea that a country that expels it's Jews goes into decline, as it loses it's great asset of creative capital, is that an idea that has a source in Jewish thought anywhere? Has anyone else heard it?

[yfr bachur]

I think I once heard the idea that a country that expels it's Jews goes into decline, as it loses it's great asset of creative capital, is that an idea that has a source in Jewish thought anywhere? Has anyone else heard it?

I believe i saw it in a hagada in the name of the shem mishmuel

I see that my whole post did't post for some reason, so heres the shem m'shmuels vort
Every nation's success as a world power is directly dependent on the presence of klal yisroel in the country. When the yidden leave the country, the country retreast to be a second rate power if anything at all. (look at history, its basicaly always true)
If HKBH would not have taken us out then, and we would have fallen to the 50th level of tumah, than we would have never been redeemed. So we would never have left.
Therefore, Egypt would still be the world power, rulled by pharoes, and we would still be slaves.

[dm123]

I believe i saw it in a hagada in the name of the shem mishmuel

Thanks. I assume you mean this piece:

https://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=11148&st=&pgnum=61