ozempic

[Alexsei]

I'm not advocating for ozempic, but a vaccine that doesn't do permanent changes to your body is not a vaccine

[Yehuda57]

I'm not advocating for ozempic, but a vaccine that doesn't do permanent changes to your body is not a vaccine

As I said, I'm not a medical professional and not all that knowledgeable, but the basic idea of a vaccine is to train your body's natural immune response to be able to fight the virus if/when it gets into the body. In the old days it was done by giving the body a "taste" of the virus itself, but with mrna it merely shows the body the "shape" of the virus cell.

[ExGingi]

I'm not advocating for ozempic, but a vaccine that doesn't do permanent changes to your body is not a vaccine

A vaccine is a compound that causes the body to produce antibodies. Just like antibodies are produced by the body when actually infected by a disease.

Semaglutides are artificial hormones. That's a totally different animal as far as I understand.

I am sure @biobook can weigh in with a better explanation.

[S209]

I'm not a medical professional, but comparing a vaccine, which briefly introduces a protein into the body and then leaves, to a chronic and potent medication that makes drastic changes to your body is worse than foolhardy.

You name the weight loss treatment, I've seen a close relative try it. G-d blessed me with obesity in just about every gene possible in my family tree. The drugs and surgeries invariably don't work, cause huge strains on quality of life, or both. This is not the first time a drug came in the market with seeming miraculous off label weight loss ability. People died from some of them.

Even people that tout ozempic as a miracle will talk about having to throw their guts up, it's just that they feel that suffering is worth it. Perhaps it is, but you're delusional if you think that is the worst of it and that there isn't a strong liklihood for more awful side effects down the road, if not downright deadly ones.

May we all be healthy and happy, without sacrificing one for the other.

You are of course correct, but a middle aged relative of mine (who is also diabetic) is using this and it’s working wonders for him both for his blood sugar and for weight loss. Its key to not underestimate the very significant long term effects of being very overweight and having blood sugar out of control.

There is no question that a vaccine is incomparable to a shot that’s administered weekly over long periods/forever.

[yelped]

I'm not a medical professional, but comparing a vaccine, which briefly introduces a protein into the body and then leaves, to a chronic and potent medication that makes drastic changes to your body is worse than foolhardy.

You name the weight loss treatment, I've seen a close relative try it. G-d blessed me with obesity in just about every gene possible in my family tree. The drugs and surgeries invariably don't work, cause huge strains on quality of life, or both. This is not the first time a drug came in the market with seeming miraculous off label weight loss ability. People died from some of them.

Even people that tout ozempic as a miracle will talk about having to throw their guts up, it's just that they feel that suffering is worth it. Perhaps it is, but you're delusional if you think that is the worst of it and that there isn't a strong liklihood for more awful side effects down the road, if not downright deadly ones.

May we all be healthy and happy, without sacrificing one for the other.

No one is disputing that long term safety is currently unknown (although by now it's almost 2 decades), but, to say that throwing up proves that it could be dangerous is a little funny reasoning.

[ExGingi]

You are of course correct, but a middle aged relative of mine (who is also diabetic) is using this and it’s working wonders for him both for his blood sugar and for weight loss. Its key to not underestimate the very significant long term effects of being very overweight and having blood sugar out of control.

There is no question that a vaccine is incomparable to a shot that’s administered weekly over long periods/forever.

Which is why I said:

IMHO it's too risky to use this for weight loss. If needed for diabetes control that's a different story and should be discussed with endocrinologist.

[ExGingi]

No one is disputing that long term safety is currently unknown (although by now it's almost 2 decades), but, to say that throwing up proves that it could be dangerous is a little funny reasoning.

If nothing else, are you aware of the health risks of regularly vomiting?

[dasmo801]

If nothing else, are you aware of the health risks of regularly vomiting?

My information, from a few people who I know that are currently taking Ozempic, is that they are not regularly vomiting. I heard of some vomiting in the early stage of use as the person gets used to how much and what foods agree with them.
My doctor who is very cautious in general seems to be prescribing Ozempic for people who have some comorbidities. I guess the unknown health risks of a 20 year old medicine have to be carefully weighed against the very known health risks of heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, liver disease and much more - all associated with Obesity.   

[yelped]

If nothing else, are you aware of the health risks of regularly vomiting?

Not everyone vomits. If you start slowly and don't jump to a high dose right away, and make sure not eat heavy foods you should not vomit at all or feel nauseous at all.

[12HRS]

Its key to not underestimate the very significant long term effects of being very overweight and having blood sugar out of control.

This is the biggest part - Pretty clear what being overweight (High blood pressure as well?) and blood sugar issues will do to a persons body long term.

Ozempic is unclear.

Not advocating one way or another but אין ספק יוצא מידי ודאי

[Yehuda57]

This is the biggest part - Pretty clear what being overweight (High blood pressure as well?) and blood sugar issues will do to a persons body long term.

Ozempic is unclear.

Not advocating one way or another but אין ספק יוצא מידי ודאי

If a doctor is prescribing ozempic for blood sugar issues, or that obesity is currently causing severe health issues, it obviously is a different kettle of fish to someone who is taking it purely for weight loss with no other specific medical concern.

In a general sense, there is no vadaus about the causality of obesity to the health concerns you mention individually. The real term to use here is that society takes a ברי and convinces them they are a שמא.

Obviously, obesity is tied to a myriad of health problems. It is also well-documented that doctors misdiagnose obese patients quite a bit because they just blame the easy target. Doctors still use BMI when they deal with individual patients even though medical establishment consensus is that it is useless as a predictor on an individual basis. I can't tell you how many people I know, myself included, will have doctors look at their blood sugar, blood pressure, cholesterol, you name it, and say, "(B"H) it is exactly where it needs to be for your age." And then they will say, "but you need to lose X amount of weight," because that's what the chart says. According to the chart I am morbidly obese. Not overweight, not obese; morbidly obese. Anyone here who has met me will likely squint at reading that and think, "he's not *that* big." My genetics and body type being what it is, if I was at the "correct" weight for my age and height according to BMI, people would think I was ill. And yet society - and I'm not just talking about vain standards of "good looks" - will maintain that unattainable goal as "medically necessary".

Usually, people who are overweight are *constantly* struggling. They are using every diet imaginable, trying every method, and I would say, on the whole, the stress and anxieties it causes are worse than the potential ill effects of their obesity. (without even getting into eating disorders and other life threatening mental illnesses that result) Rather than dangle a miraculous cure in front of them that may or may not have disastrous side effects in the near or long term, we should treat the real issue, which is the unhealthy expectations and usually *not* the unhealthy weight.

[mevinyavin]

The real term to use here is that society takes a בריא and convinces them they are a שמא.

FTFY.
 

[Yehuda57]

FTFY.
 

The pun was very much intended

[YitzyS]

I'm not a medical professional

Title: Supreme Court Sacks Fake Doc: Yehuda Fiftyseven's License Revoked

In a jaw-dropping twist, the US Supreme Court has given imposter Yehuda Fiftyseven a taste of his own medicine, revoking his medical license. This court ruling serves as a reality check for all those pretending to be what they're not, especially when it comes to healthcare.

It all started when Yehuda Fiftyseven spilled the beans on himself, confessing on DansDeals Forums that he was faking being a doctor. Naturally, this set off alarm bells among the savvy forum users, who promptly reported him to the authorities.

After a series of legal battles, the Supreme Court came to a unanimous decision—Yehuda Fiftyseven had to face the music. The court made it clear that posing as a medical professional is a massive no-no, shaking the foundation of trust that patients have in healthcare providers.

Chief Justice John Roberts, speaking on behalf of the Court, delivered the ultimate mic-drop moment, stating, "Yehuda Fiftyseven's little charade is not only harmful but also makes the whole healthcare system look like a joke. We can't have that."

The yanking of Yehuda Fiftyseven's medical license is a major win for the good guys and a big "uh-oh" for anyone else thinking about pulling off a similar stunt. The message is loud and clear: pretending to be a doc is not just morally questionable; it's illegal and punishable by law.

The ruling has received thunderous applause from medical associations and the general public alike. Dr. Bio Book, President of the American Medical Association, let out a sigh of relief, saying, "Finally, we can focus on real doctors saving lives instead of wannabes causing chaos. Thank you, Supreme Court!"

Yehuda Fiftyseven's case serves as a reminder that the medical field needs Sherlock-level detective skills to weed out the fakers. While these instances are rare, this ruling emphasizes the importance of keeping a sharp eye out for imposters, protecting patients from unqualified quacks.

(In case you can't figure it out, this is by ChatGPT. And even with a number of edits and with me deleting about five paragraphs, I think it lacks real humor.)

[dm123]

Insurers clamping down on doctors who prescribe Ozempic for weight loss
A new class of drugs is causing a public sensation and an industry gold rush, but questions remain about their accessibility to an overweight nation

By Daniel Gilbert

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/06/11/weight-loss-ozempic-wegovy-insurance/

https://archive.is/EgKwl

[mordechain]

Reawakening an old thread here.I thought there would be more discussion about glp 1 drugs on the forums. Does anyone have any experience they feel comfortable sharing? Have opinions here shofted?

[dasmo801]

Reawakening an old thread here.I thought there would be more discussion about glp 1 drugs on the forums. Does anyone have any experience they feel comfortable sharing? Have opinions here shofted?

Started on Ozempic, lost about 20 pounds over 4 months. Then they ran into shortages for a couple of months and I couldn't get it. Gained back 10 pounds.
Switched to Zepbound been on it now for 4-5 months. Down 35 pounds.
Minor side effects, nothing that would make me stop taking it at this point.

[mordechain]

Has cost been a problem?

[dasmo801]

Has cost been a problem?

Full price for Zepbound is around $1150/month.
If you have private insurance that does not cover it (as is usually the case), there is a manufacturers savings card that brings the cost down to $550/month.

[bzam99]

Anybody know of a good price place to get ozempic?