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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2023, 07:06:37 PM »
I find it interesting that none of the people within the ad, people the person was speaking with or taking a photo of, were wearing the headset....
They render your face using AI so your not looking at goggled people.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/5/23750096/apple-vision-pro-headset-persona-facetime
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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2023, 08:07:08 PM »
They render your face using AI so your not looking at goggled people.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/5/23750096/apple-vision-pro-headset-persona-facetime
That is what people see of you when you are facetiming. I think his question was about people in the scenes that are being photographed or videoed. Why are the kids blowing out the candles not wearing these eye braces?

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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2023, 08:14:45 PM »
What's the endgame of this tech?

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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2023, 08:28:50 PM »
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But AI is the latest big bad technology that is to be banned.

(And it can just as well be used for תתורו אחרי עיניכם without being noticed by others).
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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2023, 08:30:00 PM »
But AI is the latest big bad technology that is to be banned.

Anyone who thinks banning technology is still a solution is out of touch. Good luck unplugging the internet because it doesn’t suit your preferences.
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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2023, 08:59:15 PM »
That is what people see of you when you are facetiming. I think his question was about people in the scenes that are being photographed or videoed. Why are the kids blowing out the candles not wearing these eye braces?
Exactly. Meaning if this world is to exist where it becomes a product similar to a smart phone, technically all the people in the ad should be wearing it.

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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2023, 09:12:19 PM »
Anyone who thinks banning technology is still a solution is out of touch. Good luck unplugging the internet because it doesn’t suit your preferences.
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There are communities where internet is still virtually non-existent. Last I checked, they are still very much alive.

True, once you become dependent on it, it's really hard to get away from it. But if everyone would've conformed 100 percent to the original guidance to completely ban internet, IMO we would all be better, happier people today.

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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2023, 09:15:22 PM »
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There are communities where internet is still virtually non-existent. Last I checked, they are still very much alive.

True, once you become dependent on it, it's really hard to get away from it. But if everyone would've conformed 100 percent to the original guidance to completely ban internet, IMO we would all be better, happier people today.
Even in Meah Shearim they have internet cafes. I'm not saying that's the same as having access at home but I don't think there is anywhere that has no internet.

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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2023, 09:22:32 PM »
Even in Meah Shearim they have internet cafes. I'm not saying that's the same as having access at home but I don't think there is anywhere that has no internet.
I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of frum residents of South Fallsburg and of Bensonhurst have never been on the internet in their lives. Yet they live perfectly happy and functioning lives.

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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2023, 11:56:16 PM »
I don't think this will be successful. The only real use I can think of is for watching movies. Who's going to spend likely a fortune to watch movies when they are perfectly happy with the current screens.
Who likes to have something sitting on their face? And keep in mind this is a device for a single person.
I can see someone that works from home, even just a few days a year, see the benefits of this. And will probably purchase it instead of setting up a whole home office with multiple screens etc.

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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2023, 01:42:04 AM »
-1

There are communities where internet is still virtually non-existent. Last I checked, they are still very much alive.

True, once you become dependent on it, it's really hard to get away from it. But if everyone would've conformed 100 percent to the original guidance to completely ban internet, IMO we would all be better, happier people today.
-1 to your minus one.
Those communities are given the benefits of it through the people that do have it. And that DOES include access to information/marketplaces/communication on the fly.
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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2023, 01:45:41 AM »
-1 to your minus one.
Those communities are given the benefits of it through the people that do have it. And that DOES include access to information/marketplaces/communication on the fly.
So the masses technically can thrive without internet. Hence my -1 on this:
Anyone who thinks banning technology is still a solution is out of touch. Good luck unplugging the internet because it doesn’t suit your preferences.

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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2023, 01:50:34 AM »
Exactly, when computers started, people said it's pointless, libraries are better.

Now we know better.

This is first gen tech, which can lead to everyone wearing contact lenses instead of smartphones in the future.

And I wouldn't be surprised if in 30 years from know people laugh at when everyone said no one will use VR/AR.
When did people say that about computers? Which computer was that about?
How many of those computers were sold?

I wouldn't put this anywhere near the same category as contact lenses.
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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2023, 01:52:32 AM »
They render your face using AI so your not looking at goggled people.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/5/23750096/apple-vision-pro-headset-persona-facetime
gross. That will be an awful way to communicate.

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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2023, 01:54:06 AM »
So the masses technically can thrive without internet. Hence my -1 on this:
I wouldn't call that banning it 100% if someone needs it.
You can't make askanim that sit on computers all day to look for information because that is only the info part.

There are businesses built on it. And the few that say they can run a business only with a computer during business hours without losing any competitive advantage I'd imagine are far outbumbered by those that can't.
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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2023, 02:17:48 AM »
When did people say that about computers? Which computer was that about?
How many of those computers were sold?

I wouldn't put this anywhere near the same category as contact lenses.

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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2023, 02:35:56 AM »
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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2023, 07:59:47 AM »
I wouldn't call that banning it 100% if someone needs it.
You can't make askanim that sit on computers all day to look for information because that is only the info part.

There are businesses built on it. And the few that say they can run a business only with a computer during business hours without losing any competitive advantage I'd imagine are far outbumbered by those that can't.
I'm sure many said the same thing 100 years ago about closing their businesses on Shabbos.

I'm not interested and/or willing to get into a whole debate now about the use of internet. My very presence here is pretty solid proof that I use it. But I do believe with a pretty serious conviction that we (the frum community) would be a lot better off with ZERO internet, which is something that many rabbonim saw and tried to effect, but we (community members who decided that our business/convenience was too important and that it's impossible to live today without internet and that we know better than gedolim) have brought the normalization of internet upon ourselves in a way that makes it 100 times harder to get out of. Had we never gotten into it, we wouldn't need each advancement of technology, and we would be happy, perfectly functioning Oivdei Hashem without it.

Perhaps it was never viable, as there were too many skeptics back in the day who didn't envision where internet would lead to, and it's hard to fear the poison without first tasting it. And naturally, when it became the norm for the frum world to rely on internet, it is probably impossible to backtrack now.

Again, this is my strong feeling. If you think it's unfeasible, just replace the word "internet" with "closing store on Shabbos" - which I think is comparable in some ways.

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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2023, 09:08:08 AM »


Exactly, when computers started, people said it's pointless, libraries are better.



This is simply not true
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Re: Apple Vision Pro
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2023, 09:36:19 AM »

This is simply not true

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