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Re: Should Jews Visit Roman Sites?
« Reply #120 on: August 11, 2024, 03:38:40 PM »
Many more menorahs (mostly on coins) here:
https://www.menorahcoinproject.com/atge.htm

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Re: Should Jews Visit Roman Sites?
« Reply #121 on: August 11, 2024, 03:50:24 PM »
Very interesting articles regarding the shape of the לחם הפנים on the coin:

https://www.showbreadinstitute.org/Dancing-Ship-V-or-U
https://www.showbreadinstitute.org/The-precise-form-of-the-Sfina-Rokedet-Shape

Agav, some posit that the table isn't representing the shulchan at all, rather there were special tables upon which they stacked the bread.

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Re: Should Jews Visit Roman Sites?
« Reply #122 on: August 11, 2024, 10:51:05 PM »
I’m not playing this game. If you have a point to make write it out clearly.
I have news for you, you are.

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Re: Should Jews Visit Roman Sites?
« Reply #123 on: August 11, 2024, 11:18:52 PM »
Looks like there is a whole book discussing why the menorah became the popular thing to depict over other keilim. (Could be interesting, too bad it retails for over $400)



Beginning of it is available here, lots more pictures of menorahs there.

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Re: Should Jews Visit Roman Sites?
« Reply #124 on: August 12, 2024, 12:22:13 AM »
I think this thread needs to be renamed and moved

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Re: Should Jews Visit Roman Sites?
« Reply #125 on: August 13, 2024, 02:27:09 PM »
Here are two more pictures showing a similar seen.




Seems to have been a common artistic design, here are a bunch more:



It’s clearly an Aron kodash in the middle.

In this book:


there is a thorough discussion about this particular mosaic and discusses why those items are commonly found together. Also discusses why there are two, says that the basic answer is that this type of symmetry was very common at the time.

A lot of it can be read here.

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Re: Should Jews Visit Roman Sites?
« Reply #126 on: August 18, 2024, 03:59:27 PM »
Excellent interview about the history of the Menorah with renowned expert Professor Steven Fine
https://seforimchatter.com/2023/12/03/with-prof-steven-fine-discussing-the-menorah/

(@12:30 starts discussing shape of the arms)

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Re: Should Jews Visit Roman Sites?
« Reply #127 on: August 19, 2024, 03:51:37 PM »
I think the list would just never end because frankly we live in an amazing world that has just been so kind to yidden. So when planning your next vacation:

Dont go to italy because the romans destroyed the beis hamikdash
France burned seforim
Spain kicked us out
Switzerland stole our money and denied refuge
Germany, easy enough
Portugal, not such great hosts
Anywhere in the middle east,
China supports enemies of the yidden
Russia zicher does too
Israel destroyed yiddeshkeit for millions and has arguable made political decisions that can chas vshalom cost the lives of many people
The US turned away the ss st louis, and if you dont come in on saturday dont come in on monday
Canada made sure to lock down every shul during covid
England is giving in slowly to antisimetic pressures

Did i miss anyone?

Not to make light of the suffering of millions and millions of our people, but ein ledavar sof. Today the colloseum is nothing more than a delapidated arena that unfortunatley has a history of bad events. Being there is laughing in their face. Those people are gone they dont exist anymore, just as the ponovicher rov said. One should be educated and know the history for sure but our victory is that bh were still here. Religious instituions are defintetely a different story as those represent groups of people that are still trying to destroy us.

You know how much agony it would cost any one of these people to see a yid freely roaming the streets with their family on vacation? Theyd probably literally eat themselves alive
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Re: Should Jews Visit Roman Sites?
« Reply #128 on: August 20, 2024, 03:40:25 PM »
I think the list would just never end because frankly we live in an amazing world that has just been so kind to yidden. So when planning your next vacation:

Dont go to italy because the romans destroyed the beis hamikdash
France burned seforim
Spain kicked us out
Switzerland stole our money and denied refuge
Germany, easy enough
Portugal, not such great hosts
Anywhere in the middle east,
China supports enemies of the yidden
Russia zicher does too
Israel destroyed yiddeshkeit for millions and has arguable made political decisions that can chas vshalom cost the lives of many people
The US turned away the ss st louis, and if you dont come in on saturday dont come in on monday
Canada made sure to lock down every shul during covid
England is giving in slowly to antisimetic pressures

Did i miss anyone?

Not to make light of the suffering of millions and millions of our people, but ein ledavar sof. Today the colloseum is nothing more than a delapidated arena that unfortunatley has a history of bad events. Being there is laughing in their face. Those people are gone they dont exist anymore, just as the ponovicher rov said. One should be educated and know the history for sure but our victory is that bh were still here. Religious instituions are defintetely a different story as those represent groups of people that are still trying to destroy us.

You know how much agony it would cost any one of these people to see a yid freely roaming the streets with their family on vacation? Theyd probably literally eat themselves alive

True.

Reminds me of the refugee joke during WW2:

A Jew from Vienna enters a travel agency, says to the clerk:
"Which is the safest country to flee to ?"
The clerk shows him the globe.
The Jew turns around the globe several times, studying each country.
After a few minutes, he says to the clerk:
"Other than this, do you have something else to offer ?"

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